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elena
Hi skeptic,
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Also, in a free society people are free to make mistakes. And there will always be those who hide inside "freedoms" to practice their nefarious deeds; as the Co$ uses the First Amendment as both weapon and shield.
Ellen
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MarkusWelch
I might add that calls for legislation, while the intent I understand is good, may do more harm than any good. If laws are created against certain forms of speech, those same laws may one day be used against those that initiated them. This is certainly a negative potential consequence for everyone.
Liberty requires vigilance.
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MarkusWelch
I might add that calls for legislation, while the intent I understand is good, may do more harm than any good. If laws are created against certain forms of speech, those same laws may one day be used against those that initiated them. This is certainly a negative potential consequence for everyone.
Liberty requires vigilance.
This gets tricky. Is mind control simply a form of speech? In our "free" society we do have regulations. The rights of one are balanced against the rights of another, and someone is ALWAYS infringed on. I think the consumer's right to be protected from con artists supercedes con artists' right to exploit, deceive and rob. The fact of conning must, of course, first be ascertained.
From what I understand, LGATs are clearly in the business of mind control, and I see this as a serious issue. Are the victims of these scams making honest "mistakes" when they lose years of their lives, their minds, their families, etc? Do they freely make the choice to be scammed? Do they deserve some protection from thieves? There are laws against stealing property. LGATs steal minds and souls.
I think the issue of regulation vs. liberty is incredibly complex. Many, many factors need to be considered and weighed against each other, and reconsidered and reweighed. Your point needs to be included in the process, for sure.
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MarkusWelch
Hi Skeptic.
Thank you for your comments.
It is a complex issue and it has been discussed and debated previously. The authors of the USC felt that religion was best left out of political matters, and this perhaps was not without consideration of previous affairs regarding both religion and government.
For the record I am an athiest and I despise lgats, etc. Fraud is already illegal, as you know. Are we discussing the differences between what is accepted as fraud and what is accepted as a religion or legitimate business under First Amendment? :)
I am wary of any call for new legislation against lgats and the like, for reasons I mentioned previously.
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Out.Of.Landmark
In the next few days, Landmark Education" will hold a one its "Special Evening" events, which is, in fact, a sales event, to which Landmark "graduates" are "invited" to bring their friends. They have sent me three postcards and called me five times over the past few weeks with people in the Landmark Assistance Program trying to get me to attend. Now I will block their number.
I have been out of Landmark for about a year now, and still they chase me. I was in the "Introduction Leaders Program" for about three weeks. This is where they teach you lead the introduction to the Landmark Forum (sell it) and the way they teach you is by having you harass your friends over and over again about coming to introduction events. I watched, with my own eyes as people became little Landmark robots, doing things that rational human beings don't do. the ILP is the gateway to Landmark's other Leadership programs. Going through it for several months can certainly change one's perspective. When I said I was dropping out of the ILP, they pleaded with me to not leave, offering me different deals to stay connected. The more I resisted, the more they bargained with me to stay. Of course, my leader was trying to get enough enrollments to make it to being a Landmark Forum leader.
Do they brainwash you in Landmark Education? Not only do they try to brainwash you, they do it while telling you that you are making up your own mind. And they seem to manage to get you hooked on their "technology" before they teach you any of it.
Truthfully, I can't figure it out. But I am glad that I am not one of them any more.
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In the next few days, Landmark Education" will hold a one its "Special Evening" events, which is, in fact, a sales event, to which Landmark "graduates" are "invited" to bring their friends. They have sent me three postcards and called me five times over the past few weeks with people in the Landmark Assistance Program trying to get me to attend. Now I will block their number