Some guys at a meeting told me about the new warriors and said I should join up. I was thinking about it but wanted to find out because they were sort of strange guys and wouldn't tell mee to much about what went on.
Anyway it was at an aa meeting.
I wouldn't go now anyway because it isn't Christain and I am and some people wrote that they run around naked in the woods doing weird things.
They have this other group called Boys to Men and it seems like parents should never send their kids there if that's what goes on. But I didn't see anything about children here. I didn't read the whole thing, though.
Does anybody know about that?
This group is just as "secretive" as MKP. I can't imagine ever sending my child to a camp of anykind whatsoever that would not give me details of what my child would be doing. As far as I am concerned parents who send their child to something like this are being abusive and should have the child removed from their care immediately.
As far as I am concerned this group should be shut down. I am not saying that the claims they make are not honerable claims, becuase they are, just as the claims MKP makes are honerable. But, to keep secrets from the parent (MOM) as to what takes place with the "reasons" they give is just plain stupidity and opening the doors to abuse.
You can bet that if a child goes through this that the LGAT techniques would work just as well if not better than on an adult. The child then makes a non disclosure agreement. They would never tell Mom of the abuses that they go through. (and IMHO these LGAT weekends are abuse)
The specific processes used at rites of passage are kept confidential. That is so younger members of the community do not receive the adult information before they are ready, because rites of passage are considered sacred and personal and should not be treated casually, and because rites of passage rely on a degree of theater, surprise, and spontaneous response that would be lost if participants knew in advance what was going to happen.
(And so that Mom's don't know the dangerous techniques that will be used on her child)
I. DISCLOSURE AND ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF RISKS
I understand that the Boys-to-Men Mentoring Network Training Adventure (“Training”) is a personal growth and
development course and involves known and unanticipated risks which [b:8bd14ee3c8]could result in physical or emotional injury[/b:8bd14ee3c8],
paralysis, [b:8bd14ee3c8]death[/b:8bd14ee3c8], illness, or damage to myself, to property, or to third parties. I understand that such risks simply
cannot be eliminated without jeopardizing the essential qualities of the activity. These risks include, among other things:
A. The nature of the training itself which involves:
1. Strenuous and vigorous, physical, mental, emotional, and intellectual activity such as outdoor and indoor games during day or night, role playing (e.g. enactments of past events, feelings or parts of psyche or personality) and exercises and processes which may include or result in physical, mental or emotional stress, distress and fatigue (e.g.
Facing and overcoming physical, emotional or mental obstacles to the achievement of goals);
2. [b:8bd14ee3c8]The potential for death[/b:8bd14ee3c8]; for injury to skeletal-neuro-muscular system (such as strains, fractures, ruptures, bruises,
loss of limb or loss of use of limb, paraplegia and quadriplegia), to internal organs, to cardiovascular system (such as
elevated blood pressure, elevated pulse, heart attack, aneurysm, hemorrhage or stroke), to eyes or ears (loss of sight
or hearing), to body ( such as scrapes, scratches, punctures, lacerations) and to mental health (such as depression or
traumatization relating to past psychological history); and
3. The potential for change with respect to such matters as: education, career, job or business; relationships with
family, friends, women, fellow youth, co-workers, and behavior in social, personal or school and business settings.
B. The acts or omissions of B2M who may, among other things, be ignorant of any participant’s fitness or abilities;
misjudge the weather, the elements, or the terrain; or give inadequate instructions, warnings or advice.
C. Latent or apparent defects or conditions in the equipment or property supplied by B2M or other persons or
entities as well as the use or operation of such equipment.
D. Acts of other participants in this training or other persons.
The potential for death huh? Well, don't they think that if they are working with children, that if what they do have the potential to cause death or emotional stress THAT THEY SHOULD CHANGE THEIR TACTICS. A CHILD SHOULD NEVER BE PUT IN SUCH A SITUATION UNDER THE GUISE OF GROWING. We are supposed to protect our children, not put them in situations that could harm them.