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tywebb
Yep...It's really sick and twisted that there are Landmark Sirens(I would like to use another word) out there that are seducing men with the sole intention of bringing them into LEC. What was done to me was bizarre to say the least. I blame myself as well for ignoring the red flags, but I honestly felt that this woman loved me. There was so much praise, and so many gifts. And then...the axe fell. If you are my life partner then you must join LEC. I would do anyhting for you, so you must do LEC for me.

And that's the mild stuff. I hate LEC, and I hate Werner/Jack and Howie.

Let's bring these bastards to their knees.

Lots of cults and cult-like groups use women as "bait" to lure in the men ($). ElRon sent out his cute nubile females in their little sailor suits. David Berg told his girls they were "hooking for Jesus" and called it "flirty fishing." One of the obligations of a "good" Mormon wife is to keep her man "in the fold."

I would venture to say that if you met this woman after she had been indoctrinated and become an enthusiast, you didn't really know her at all. Landmarkers are phonies. They are trained to act seductively- excited, eager, happy, and energetic - as are all salesmen, really. The thing is, with salesmen, you kind of know it's part of their pitch. Unless you've done a little research, you mightn't know the proselytizing Landmark female is using sex as part of her ~enrollment~ performance as taught and demonstrated by Werner Erhard himself and perpetuated by his clones. Sad that women can be convinced this is a good thing.


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Yep...It's really sick and twisted that there are Landmark Sirens(I would like to use another word) out there that are seducing men with the sole intention of bringing them into LEC. What was done to me was bizarre to say the least. I blame myself as well for ignoring the red flags, but I honestly felt that this woman loved me. There was so much praise, and so many gifts. And then...the axe fell. If you are my life partner then you must join LEC. I would do anyhting for you, so you must do LEC for me

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I would like to add its not just the women who are doing this, many men are saying and doing the same thing... if you really love me or if you would do anything for you.. you must do LEC.

Rather then focussing on one gender perhaps it would be better to focus on the fact that this type of manipulation is used full stop

Sorry for the gender bias. This has hit me hard and fast, and I was very unaware as to the seductive practices by both sexes.

Could someone please elaborate as to what they teach regarding using sex and seductive practices to lure in others?

TIA

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tywebb
Sorry for the gender bias. This has hit me hard and fast, and I was very unaware as to the seductive practices by both sexes.

Could someone please elaborate as to what they teach regarding using sex and seductive practices to lure in others?

TIA

There's a passage from Napoleon Hill's "Think and Grow Rich," one of Werner Erhard's main sources of inspiration, about selling and sex. It's referenced in "Outrageous Betrayal." Haven't got my copy or I'd give you the page number. Apart from that, it or something similar, is part of every basic sales course and, indeed, most advertising.

Some of the old timers talk about the "desensitization" practices they had to endure during the "Advanced" course where they are surrounded with the most vile pornographic images during lengthy lectures. This is meant to degrade the idea of sex into another "empty & meaningless" event so that it can be re-formed or ~transformed~ into the Landmarkian version, I believe.


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Could someone please elaborate as to what they teach regarding using sex and seductive practices to lure in others?

they dont specifically teach how to use sex to pull people in but they use the following type of phrases

"if you want your relationships to work you must all think in the same manner"

"if your partner loves you they will trust you and do the course"

"If you are committed to your relationship and your partner is committed to the course then you will both do the course"

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Could someone please elaborate as to what they teach regarding using sex and seductive practices to lure in others?

they dont specifically teach how to use sex to pull people in but they use the following type of phrases

"if you want your relationships to work you must all think in the same manner"

"if your partner loves you they will trust you and do the course"

"If you are committed to your relationship and your partner is committed to the course then you will both do the course"

Sonnie,

This is most interesting! In which advanced classes are these sentences being thrown at you? How many years ago? Is it still being used today?

Reading the above, clearly it becomes impossible for someone in Landmark to be in a relationship with someone outside Landmark. The partner must give in!!! Clearly the mark of a cult!

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This is most interesting! In which advanced classes are these sentences being thrown at you? How many years ago? Is it still being used today?

Reading the above, clearly it becomes impossible for someone in Landmark to be in a relationship with someone outside Landmark. The partner must give in!!! Clearly the mark of a cult!

It is not a set part of the programme, often it is used for those in ILP or TMLP

It is used particularly when coaching someone who says they think they need to pull out due to their partner/family not wanting them to be involved within landmark.

The last time I heard this used was 18 months - 2 years ago just before i pulled away from landmark completely

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"if your partner loves you they will trust you and do the course"

This pretty much matches my experience as well. It was presented to me in such a way that if I did not care enough to take the course; I did not care for her.

The fact is that she knew from many of the things I did and said that this was not the case. She did suffer from a lot of cognitive dissonance about what she was told by them and what she experienced from me. She ended up resolving this problem by believing that I hated her and cutting herself off from not only myself; but all of her true friends that cared for her as well.

None of them know of her exact location to this day.

Pretty sad for all of us that have lost her...she is a very special person with some really great natural gifts. Gifts that have been squandered by a bunch of greedy charlatans.

Wow. I am blown away at how similar all of our experiences have been.

I heard over and over "if you really love me and are my life partner then you will do LEC"

As far as sex goes.. she said she could take it or leave it. At first it seemed passionate, but then she told me she was basically frigid. When pressed on this she stated that she lied about being frigid so that I would not want to have sex with her.

She is gone for good, and I contacted her family members that are not involved in LEC and let them know why we had to end our engagement.I believe they might make an attempt to deprogram her, but I don't think they will have much luck.

Moving on is hard, but there is no other alternative. I am going out on my first date today since all of this LEC crap went down. What's fuuny is that I actually asked if she was involved with a cult or pyramid scheme up front.

Beware the internet dating scene as LEC is sending there vamps and sirens out to seduce both men and women.

Best of luck to all survivors of this pernicious group.

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sonnie_dee

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Could someone please elaborate as to what they teach regarding using sex and seductive practices to lure in others?

they dont specifically teach how to use sex to pull people in but they use the following type of phrases

"if you want your relationships to work you must all think in the same manner"

"if your partner loves you they will trust you and do the course"

"If you are committed to your relationship and your partner is committed to the course then you will both do the course"

Sonnie,

This is most interesting! In which advanced classes are these sentences being thrown at you? How many years ago? Is it still being used today?

Reading the above, clearly it becomes impossible for someone in Landmark to be in a relationship with someone outside Landmark. The partner must give in!!! Clearly the mark of a cult!

Oh yes!!! I have heard this often, "I can't have a relationship with anyone not involved. They just wouldn't understand."