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About Choices: Founder Thelma Box
What if life truly is a journey not a destination? That would mean that there are many paths to be taken. That’s why Thelma Box developed Choices Seminars. In 1983 Thelma, [b:2714983979]Dr. Phil[/b:2714983979] (from the Oprah Winfrey Show) McGraw and Dr. Joe McGraw designed a seminar that asked the question “If better is possible, is good good enough?”
Together they joined their visions to bring their life lessons to a world in search of “better”. As time progressed Thelma became the sole owner and operator of what is now the Choices Personal Growth Seminar. Today Thelma continues to bring healing into the world through seminars in Dallas, TX, Vancouver, BC and Calgary, AB. Changing the world one heart at a time is the dream of Thelma Box, her family and friends.
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