R.B. Thieme Jr.
Posted by:
thiemite
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Date: October 02, 2007 06:25PM
Truthtesty, are you a Christian? It was my understanding that you are not. Would you clarify that for me?
R.B. Thieme Jr.
Posted by:
Truthtesty
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Date: October 04, 2007 07:51AM
Thiemite:
Did you miss this question, in the above post? The question was addressed to you and SynergyCon.
Truthtesty
Truthtesty
Did you miss this question, in the above post? The question was addressed to you and SynergyCon.
Truthtesty
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Since your being so openly judgemental about beliefs, will you state your own position on the "efficacy of the literal Blood of Christ"?
Truthtesty
R.B. Thieme Jr.
Posted by:
sistersoap
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Date: October 04, 2007 04:33PM
TO THE MODERATOR:
This is the SECOND TIME within the last three weeks or so that I have had to mention that I am not getting notified of new posts on this board. I don't know why this is so. I DO WANT TO BE SO NOTIFIED even if I am not able to post for a while.
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PLEASE fix this problem. I want to keep up!
Sistersoap
This is the SECOND TIME within the last three weeks or so that I have had to mention that I am not getting notified of new posts on this board. I don't know why this is so. I DO WANT TO BE SO NOTIFIED even if I am not able to post for a while.
Why is this that I have to keep on asking to receive this service? Is it only for those who post frequently?
PLEASE fix this problem. I want to keep up!
Sistersoap
R.B. Thieme Jr.
Posted by:
Truthtesty
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Date: October 06, 2007 09:59PM
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Thieme Quote:
[b:1eb4d1f08f]1 John 1:7 [/b:1eb4d1f08f]"And THE BLOOD FROM HIS VEINS WAS A LITTLE BLEEDING FROM HIS HANDS AND A LITTLE BLEEDING FROM HIS FEET, AND IT DOESN'T SAVE YOU AND NEVER WILL"
Thieme Quote:
"when Jesus died physically, He ... died for himself.”
Ga 1:9 -
As we said before, so say I now again, [b:1eb4d1f08f][u:1eb4d1f08f]If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be [i:1eb4d1f08f]accursed[/i:1eb4d1f08f][/u:1eb4d1f08f][/b:1eb4d1f08f].
Truthtesty
R.B. Thieme Jr.
Posted by:
Truthtesty
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Date: October 06, 2007 10:51PM
Thiemite
At this time, I would add:
Refer to Dr. Lewis Sperry Chafer Vol 7, pg 103. "CRITICISM"
Summarizing Chafer, all criticism is too often categorized as [u:882c58d664]destructive criticism[/u:882c58d664]. Chafer defines [u:882c58d664]destructive criticism[/u:882c58d664] as unsympathetic men who's goal is the breaking down of the testimony of the Sacred Text. [u:882c58d664]Constructive criticism[/u:882c58d664] is important for analysis and evidence. [u:882c58d664]Constructive criticism[/u:882c58d664] is [b:882c58d664][u:882c58d664]advantageous[/u:882c58d664][/b:882c58d664] for determining truth and for detecting human error.
Dr. Chafer goes on to cite Dr. James Orr from the "International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia" [www.internationalstandardbible.com]
Cult leaders are contemptuous of constructive criticism and constructive questions.
As Dr. Wall said:
All truth is important. That is why a lie from lips of the regenerate or the unregenerate is considered a sin.
Truthtesty
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Voltaic & SynergyCon,
You guys definitely seem to be unable to distinguish between shades of description. Is the Thiemite system a cult? No, but it is awfully close. There is so much available information that documents the theological error and cultish elements of the system that one doesn’t have to look too far to see that. Thank God for the internet. Also, you guys seem to flip flop too much between feigning ignorance of certain aspects of the Thiemite system and then being intimately knowledgeable of those same aspects.
Should these things be discussed and evaluated and people warned of the cultish elements. Of course.
- We are told to examine all things and hold fast to what is true. 1 Thess. 5:21
- What does it mean to examine if not to judge between right and wrong? Peter judged Ananias and Saphira as liars (Acts 5:3-4), Paul judged the Galatians as fools (Gal. 3:1).
- The reason something can be judged as true or false is because the Bible clearly lays out the moral and doctrinal standards by which the truth may be discerned.
- We are commanded in Scripture to be able to give answers to everyone (1 Pet. 3:15) for the faith that was delivered by the apostles (Jude 4) Yet, Thieme and evidently Thiemite churches would seek to deny the believer this means of discernment, HELLO…cultish.
At this time, I would add:
Refer to Dr. Lewis Sperry Chafer Vol 7, pg 103. "CRITICISM"
Summarizing Chafer, all criticism is too often categorized as [u:882c58d664]destructive criticism[/u:882c58d664]. Chafer defines [u:882c58d664]destructive criticism[/u:882c58d664] as unsympathetic men who's goal is the breaking down of the testimony of the Sacred Text. [u:882c58d664]Constructive criticism[/u:882c58d664] is important for analysis and evidence. [u:882c58d664]Constructive criticism[/u:882c58d664] is [b:882c58d664][u:882c58d664]advantageous[/u:882c58d664][/b:882c58d664] for determining truth and for detecting human error.
Dr. Chafer goes on to cite Dr. James Orr from the "International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia" [www.internationalstandardbible.com]
Cult leaders are contemptuous of constructive criticism and constructive questions.
As Dr. Wall said:
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Thieme's concept of authority discourages a critical evaluation of his teaching, so his students are not only limited by having only one pastoral example, but [b:882c58d664][u:882c58d664]they must accept the errors which he teaches along with the truth without any functional means for discriminating between the two[/u:882c58d664][/b:882c58d664].
All truth is important. That is why a lie from lips of the regenerate or the unregenerate is considered a sin.
Truthtesty
R.B. Thieme Jr.
Posted by:
Truthtesty
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Date: October 06, 2007 11:38PM
I would also add:
Hebrews 5:12–14, “For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. But strong meat belongeth to them that [u:310ef593b9]are of full age[/u:310ef593b9], even those who [b:310ef593b9][u:310ef593b9]by reason of use [i:310ef593b9]have their senses exercised to discern [/i:310ef593b9]both good and evil[/u:310ef593b9][/b:310ef593b9]
Truthtesty
Hebrews 5:12–14, “For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. But strong meat belongeth to them that [u:310ef593b9]are of full age[/u:310ef593b9], even those who [b:310ef593b9][u:310ef593b9]by reason of use [i:310ef593b9]have their senses exercised to discern [/i:310ef593b9]both good and evil[/u:310ef593b9][/b:310ef593b9]
Truthtesty
R.B. Thieme Jr.
Posted by:
Truthtesty
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Date: October 08, 2007 12:07AM
To the Forum:
Voltaic
Truthtesty:
It is more than two-fold. Thieme's false teachings on "rebound" are evil, because Thieme denies the efficacy of the literal blood of Christ.
Read and take seriously Dr. Lewis Sperry Chafer Systematic Theology Blood [Vol. 7, Page 52-55] ( 3 sections - Sacrificial blood, Cleansing blood, and Covenant blood) Chafer (summarizing) says in 1 part that arrogant men have no authority elevate themselves to judge the very blood priniciple which God already judged, executed, and revealed to men to deal with sin.
It is my conclusion that the main reason Thiemites do not successfully purge themselves of sin, is because they are in disagreement with God on the efficacy of the literal blood of Christ. They are "confessing" and at the same time sinning, because they are denying the literal blood of Christ. The literal blood of Christ which defeated sin. This sin continously grows and grows until Thiemites "pervert inwardly", while trying to pretend to show no evil or "problems" in public (as they have been trained). They are trying to "live out" [u:aefbf7c49c]exactly[/u:aefbf7c49c] as Thieme has dogmatically told them to do. Thieme is responsible for thier misguided behaviour. The individual is also responsible for thier own misguided behaviour. They know it's wrong, but they can't admit it, they can't defeat it, and they can't put thier finger on exactly what's wrong.
Don't trust me, try it. Test it. Confess in agreement with God about the efficacy of the literal blood of Christ.
Chafer speaks of this “denying the power of" as lending aid to Satan [Vol. 2, Page 105]
For other areas where Chafer speaks of search terms: "blood" and "confession":
Systematic Theology (186 occurrences in 28 articles): [Vol. 2, Page 334], [Vol. 6, Page 249] ,[Vol. 3, Page 101], [Vol. 5, Page 197], [Vol. 6, Page 243], [Vol. 3, Page 101], [Vol. 5, Page 147], [Vol. 2, Page 326], [Vol. 6, Page 239], [Vol. 3, Page 123], [Vol. 2, Page 270], [Vol. 3, Page 375], [Vol. 2, Page 271], [Vol. 3, Page 140], [Vol. 2, Page 342], [Vol. 2, Page 286], [Vol. 5, Page 214], [Vol. 6, Page 237], [Vol. 3, Page 328], [Vol. 2, Page 105], [Vol. 6, Page 50], [Vol. 4, Page 355], [Vol. 5, Page 277], [Vol. 4, Page 255], [Vol. 5, Page 270], [Vol. 6, Page 113], [Vol. 3, Page 155],[Vol. 3, Page 143], [Vol. 7, Page 90], [Vol. 7, Page 84], [Vol. 7, Page 53],
[Vol. 7, Page iii], [Vol. 7, Page 34].
"Ye shall know them by their fruits”
Catholics do not need a priest to [u:aefbf7c49c]confess through to God[/u:aefbf7c49c].
Thiemites do not need a "Gentile authority" "lording over" pastor to [u:aefbf7c49c]study through to God[/u:aefbf7c49c].
Truthtesty
Voltaic
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The big differences between Thieme's teachings and others is two-fold: 1) Thieme gave it a new term, "rebound", which may be confusing (Wall covers this in his thesis) and 2) Thieme taught that only confession was needed to "be" spiritual whereas other theologians teach about a yielded walk in life, etc. The second of these is an important theological difference, but it doesn't make "Rebound" itself some evil teaching.
Truthtesty:
It is more than two-fold. Thieme's false teachings on "rebound" are evil, because Thieme denies the efficacy of the literal blood of Christ.
Read and take seriously Dr. Lewis Sperry Chafer Systematic Theology Blood [Vol. 7, Page 52-55] ( 3 sections - Sacrificial blood, Cleansing blood, and Covenant blood) Chafer (summarizing) says in 1 part that arrogant men have no authority elevate themselves to judge the very blood priniciple which God already judged, executed, and revealed to men to deal with sin.
It is my conclusion that the main reason Thiemites do not successfully purge themselves of sin, is because they are in disagreement with God on the efficacy of the literal blood of Christ. They are "confessing" and at the same time sinning, because they are denying the literal blood of Christ. The literal blood of Christ which defeated sin. This sin continously grows and grows until Thiemites "pervert inwardly", while trying to pretend to show no evil or "problems" in public (as they have been trained). They are trying to "live out" [u:aefbf7c49c]exactly[/u:aefbf7c49c] as Thieme has dogmatically told them to do. Thieme is responsible for thier misguided behaviour. The individual is also responsible for thier own misguided behaviour. They know it's wrong, but they can't admit it, they can't defeat it, and they can't put thier finger on exactly what's wrong.
Don't trust me, try it. Test it. Confess in agreement with God about the efficacy of the literal blood of Christ.
Chafer speaks of this “denying the power of" as lending aid to Satan [Vol. 2, Page 105]
For other areas where Chafer speaks of search terms: "blood" and "confession":
Systematic Theology (186 occurrences in 28 articles): [Vol. 2, Page 334], [Vol. 6, Page 249] ,[Vol. 3, Page 101], [Vol. 5, Page 197], [Vol. 6, Page 243], [Vol. 3, Page 101], [Vol. 5, Page 147], [Vol. 2, Page 326], [Vol. 6, Page 239], [Vol. 3, Page 123], [Vol. 2, Page 270], [Vol. 3, Page 375], [Vol. 2, Page 271], [Vol. 3, Page 140], [Vol. 2, Page 342], [Vol. 2, Page 286], [Vol. 5, Page 214], [Vol. 6, Page 237], [Vol. 3, Page 328], [Vol. 2, Page 105], [Vol. 6, Page 50], [Vol. 4, Page 355], [Vol. 5, Page 277], [Vol. 4, Page 255], [Vol. 5, Page 270], [Vol. 6, Page 113], [Vol. 3, Page 155],[Vol. 3, Page 143], [Vol. 7, Page 90], [Vol. 7, Page 84], [Vol. 7, Page 53],
[Vol. 7, Page iii], [Vol. 7, Page 34].
"Ye shall know them by their fruits”
Catholics do not need a priest to [u:aefbf7c49c]confess through to God[/u:aefbf7c49c].
Thiemites do not need a "Gentile authority" "lording over" pastor to [u:aefbf7c49c]study through to God[/u:aefbf7c49c].
Truthtesty
R.B. Thieme Jr.
Posted by:
Truthtesty
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Date: October 08, 2007 06:42AM
To the Forum:
Dr. Lewis Sperry Chafer has many references to world and cosmos. I'd like to point specifically to the 3 general meaning references of "world" [Vol. 7, Page 311]. (summarizing Chafer) 1) refering to the created natural earth. Acts 17:24 2) All the people of the world that Jesus died for John 3:16 and 3) Men's institutions under the authority of Satan. These institutions of men are organized around principles of: [b:8fbb48f09a]self, greed, armament, and commercialism[/b:8fbb48f09a]. 1 John 2:15–17.
Chafer says nothing stops a christian from loving nature or that which has not fallen under the authority of Satan. 1 John 2:15–16 [Vol. 2, Page 78]
Truthtesty
Dr. Lewis Sperry Chafer has many references to world and cosmos. I'd like to point specifically to the 3 general meaning references of "world" [Vol. 7, Page 311]. (summarizing Chafer) 1) refering to the created natural earth. Acts 17:24 2) All the people of the world that Jesus died for John 3:16 and 3) Men's institutions under the authority of Satan. These institutions of men are organized around principles of: [b:8fbb48f09a]self, greed, armament, and commercialism[/b:8fbb48f09a]. 1 John 2:15–17.
Chafer says nothing stops a christian from loving nature or that which has not fallen under the authority of Satan. 1 John 2:15–16 [Vol. 2, Page 78]
Truthtesty
R.B. Thieme Jr.
Posted by:
Truthtesty
()
Date: October 08, 2007 08:48AM
To the Forum:
God's love for humanity is apart from it's evil institutions. The christian [b:946e2a78b7]is not to love[/b:946e2a78b7] these evil institutions. [Vol. 2, Page 78]
Gentile authority will be the method of the rule of the beast. This political rule of the beast will be crushed by the return of the King of kings. Rev. 19:11–21 [Vol. 7, Page 31]
Truthtesty
God's love for humanity is apart from it's evil institutions. The christian [b:946e2a78b7]is not to love[/b:946e2a78b7] these evil institutions. [Vol. 2, Page 78]
Gentile authority will be the method of the rule of the beast. This political rule of the beast will be crushed by the return of the King of kings. Rev. 19:11–21 [Vol. 7, Page 31]
Truthtesty
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