To whom it may concern:
Please focus on the topic rather than petty bickering and/or theological debates.
The topic is "Sturthers Memorial Independent Pentecostal Church".
Actually this IS very much to do with accusations made of the Struthers Memorial Church. Not every one is valid. The trouble is that posters are accepting ANY story, event or bit of information as somehow being valid “cannon fodder”, without the least bit of scepticism being applied to the reasonableness of the accusations. ThePetitor and other here seem to be suggesting that Struthers Memorial Church Leaders should be obliged to persuade this woman to keep this vow.
I claim this is a matter for L and M to resolve. But if L simply does NOT WANT THIS. Then that is the end of the matter.
Treetop writes "Actually, for many christians, this summary is fairly accurate! Bear in mind we aren't told what the vow was, only that it wasn't about their relationship. Chester's points about a vow made to God apply to both men and women (unless you see God having less expectations of women or vice versa.”
Let me give you a example of a solemn wow made between a man and woman, and to God in the presence of God. Its called the vow of marriage. Such vows are taken with the utmost seriousness. NO rash action in a field. No camera. Now tell me, of the two types of incident, which one should we take more seriously ?, Which carries more weight ?. ThePetitor - please tell us - was the vow made to M anything like as serious as a marriage vow ?.
Forgive me again if i am being presumptuous but I suspect a vow of marriage carries more weight.
And yet consider this hypothetical but all too common story: A pentecostal woman X marries man Y. She makes a vow to Y and God to be faithful, to .. “TIL DEATH DO US PART” !!! .
Time passes, X no longer loves Y. X seeks a divorce, and gets one. X Knows she failed God, but asks his forgiveness and continues going to church.
Now I ask you Treetop, ThePetitor, would it be considered perfectly reasonable and RIGHT - for Y to - THIRTY YEARS LATER, turn up on the church doorstep and start accusing the pastor and X of spiritual failings in this matter ?. ( and TreeTop can clarify one way or the other )
The whole problem with this L and M business is that it is really very much to do with someone who is NOT a leader of Struthers Memorial Church. As the moderator has said this thread is about SMC and how its leadership is
destructive. Yet the focus in this incident is very much about the obligations of a female individual to a man.
ThePetitor continually chooses to couch this whole business in mystery rather than clarification, yet if we go to the Latigo site - one aimed at Struthers Memorial Church, the need to provide clarification is a constant refrain. Here is another quote - "This might
also have been raised, not by M, by someone with a concern for L – after all, it is her spiritual life, not M’s that is being compromised. It is actually her I feel sorry for, not M.”
ThePetitor, please clarify for us - is this MIGHT a real MIGHT ? or are you just deliberately obfuscating things . Are you categorically suggesting that YOU are speaking on behalf of someone else or for yourself. Clouding all this in such ambiguous terms does not help anyone judge whether this really is something that warrants questioning SMC about. Readers will reach their own opinions about what exactly really is going on here.
And people here seem only too happy to say AMEN to using this incident as a stick to beat SMC with, without realising that ThePetitor has deliberately witheld the very information that we in reality need to make this judgement for ourselves.
ALL THAT GLISTENS IS NOT GOLD and not all accusations made against SMC are valid.
And am still waiting for someone - ANYONE - to point out to me exactly WHAT IS THE FINANCIAL SMOKING GUN in the Latigo financial entries. Everyone goes “oh gosh” “wow I never knew that” !. But nobody has come out and named ANY financial impropriety or ANYTHING, that would cause its member to resort to litigation or calling the local Greenock Rag for a story.
I perceive a distinct lack of scepticism going on here.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/27/2011 08:31PM by Clive.