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As result, he lies again and again. He talks at people, instead of with people.
This is not an ad hom, this is an observation of fact.
VTV does lie, again and again, and evades through deception, by not answering your points.
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"We" have not found many red flags for transparency. His claim to no transparency was based SOLELY on the issue of anonymous moderators.
No, tzm is no ttransparent 20 different ways. Just to cover our own interaction you delteted over a dozen threads. Just to cover up putting jaques on a pedastal you deleted at least another dozen.
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And that we don't plaster our financial information everywhere. He has not provided ANY PROOF at all of any "thought reform".
We have posted proof, again, vtv just pretends that we have not.
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And as Mr. Ross and Corboy have pointed out they can find NO EVIDENCE of all these "complaints of abuse". Again, KICKING PEOPLE OFF AN INTERNET FORUM IS NOT CULT ABUSE.
Again, being kicked out under the conditions which you do it under is abusive.
And yes, it is a abusive because of being a cult, so it is cult abuse.
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OK, so now this marks several various claims that I need to go to an institution, and that I should not be allowed to see my children until I do so. Throughout this debate he stated that the only way that I could avoid this is if I apologized to him and re-instated him on the forums. And that all of our anonymous moderators need to come forward and remove themselves.
This is not hard to understand, we are willing to help you this is not a black and white battle for us we understand you are also a victim.
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He issues me an ultimatim. And if I fail to do what he wants which was based on false accusations in the first place, TZM will continue to be an abusive cult.
No, you are spinning our offer to help you in reverse. TZM is a cult, we are willing to help. Until you take out help, and make real changes, thats an absolute you can't escape from.
Now, for some final perspective, let us look at his post on the TZM forum that started all of this.
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I submit again to the moderators of this forum that it is clear to me that this person is likely motivated in the same way that Prometheus Pan was.
I submit that any attempt to construe my motivations as being anything is in fact an ad hom, and that any attempt to construe davids motivations as anything is also an af hom.
My motivations are actually impeccable. I am in service to humanity and potentially in service to TZM as soon as they stop being a cult.
VTV attacking my motives or pretending like this is a set or implicit understood thing is a ver ysly veiled ad hom.
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He has now gone on to state that I am dangerous, to myself, and the world, and apparently my children.
All of which is true.
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The only proof of any abuse he has offered is that he was "abused" on a forum.
No, we have gone over numerous issues vtv is conflating and attempting to say pretend that proofs have not arrived, this is actually again another veiled ad hom.
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And that we have anonymous moderators.
He makes several references to "We." hoping he can name drop Rick Ross and the users of this forum towards his agenda.
Another veiled ad hom.
This is the truth. TVP/ TZM is a cult and it is abusive. I'm not motivated by anything other than compassion and concern for them and their victims and by a real and genuine need to see humanity work on and solve its problems in a real way instead of running away from them into violence and trying to avoid responsibility by giving totalitarian control to robots.
Everything about TZM once you peel back the layers of lies and spin is dangerous, disgusting, and evil, including how they use veiled ad homs to invalidate other people and make false claims about other peopels emotional states, motivations, and intentions. VTV is spinning what people say, evading, and distorting. I think that this proves rather well that hes actually involved in cogntive dissonance and hypnotically following the ideology which says the means are justified by the ends.
Formal Conversational logic tells us its not an ad hominem when its both true and relevant. Is me pointing out that VTV is spinning and distorting what people say an ad hom?
Is me pointing out that hes actually here only stacking a list of veiled ad homs an ad hom?
VTV is a master of the ad hom double standard, his ad homs since hes in charge or since hes veiling them so clevah are all right. Yours are of course illegal ad homs.
I'd like to know. Will this behavior of his be addressed?