Good to see the emails on public view again, it reminds us of the
nature of those involved, others should certainly be informed.

Talking of information I heard that there will be another Teens and
Twentys meeting in Florida again next year.

I was told that they advertised this year's event as from 12 year olds
upwards.
That sounds mighty strange, if true. Children, Vampires, Satanists
and Cryonists a strange brew.

Perhaps we should all go to watch the CI president next year as,
according to the emails

"Ben talking about the hot tub teens and twenty's Ben siad he was going to
be at the hot tub next year so he does not miss the action ever thing I'm telling
you is the truth and it's putting it mildly"

Aw then again maybe not :-(

It the Children/Young People I feel sorry for - People are always pushing religions, Cults and strange idea's on their children.

2 Days of intense Brainwashing followed By a session with "Uncle Ben" and `Vampire Styles` in the Hot Tub

Unsavoury - Any Cryonicist needs to keep their Kids away from these freaks.

There are some reports coming in that some websites that are critical of aspects of cryonics are getting HACKED.


This is yet another in a long line of reasons to stay far far away from any of the so-called cryonics companies. Its one set of dirty tricks after another. There have been more serious reports of abuses coming from these so-called cryonics companies, than many other sects and groups.
The cryonics companies get an F- rating, across the board, in frankly every category.


Just as a point, there have been other cases of websites of critics getting illegally hacked and attacked, which apparently is quite a serious offense?
One that comes to mind is the report below.


---------------QUOTE excerpt-----------------------
[www.cultnews.com]
07.14.09
Attacker of Ross Institute Web sites surrenders to FBI

"Computer programmer Bruce Raisley waged a one-man-war against his perceived enemies on the Internet, but ultimately was forced to surrender to the FBI as reported by the New Jersey Star-Ledger.

“His actions were alarming in that he chose to attack third party websites when he didn’t like their content,” says Assistant U.S. Attorney Erez Liebermann. “It’s one thing for him to be unhappy with a website. It’s another thing for him to attack third parties that have not done anything, which causes damage on the side of the victim companies and on the side of any affected computer” quoted Wired News.

Raisley, whom Liebermann says works for HSBC in Pennsylvania, faces a maximum of 10 years in prison and a $250,000 fine. He was released on a $100,000 unsecured bond and is restricted to using his home computer for work purposes only. ...[cont'd]
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Below is a reminder of a quote by Mark Plus aka advancedatheist, the full-time cryonics promoter.

A 10 year old child, healthy or not, being walked into a cryonics company, and then put on a cryonics table and cryonicized...that would obviously be classed as premeditated 1st degree murder.


[forum.culteducation.com]
QUOTE from advancedatheist / Mark Plus: Posted 24 January 2009 - 04:20 AM
"The perfect cryonics patient is a healthy ten year old who can walk into the lab and lie down on the table before the procedure." [www.imminst.org]

dangerous Cryonics delusion, Imminst.org, Immortality Institute [forum.culteducation.com]

[sites.google.com]

Many Thanks to G. for having the guts to post this stuff up - PLEASE CACHE I DONT THINK IT WILL STAY UP LONG - this is blatent cultlike behaviour by the TOV and cryonicists and discussions about how to cover up information that they feel damages thier cult.

And a line reads: "Don't worry, I'm carrying more secrets than the Titanic, I can handle one more". - Ben Best.

My video has been taken down but there was not thing about it that was not TRUE!


The Vampire Expose! - I know for a fact that A ex-cult member of ToV screenshotted this before they "came out the compound" and posted it to googlesites. This person has had a lot of abuse and mindgames played on them of a occultic nature. Please bare in mind that they are VERY HURT so please do not attack him/her for being deceptive at the beginning. This information is posted to show exactly the mentality of the cryonicist/satanic/vampires and the lengths they will go to to silence their critics.

More to come on the factsheet website too very soon too and hopefully from a more "intellectual source" too.

If Linguascelesta, aka David Stiles (still apparently an active vampire 2 weeks ago) truly believes in the vampire immortality stuff, why does he need a cryonics contract as well? I thought that vampires had the life after death angle covered, a cryonics contract as well seems a bit 'belt and braces' for a True Believer.

His chosen name BTW translates as 'villainous tongue,' not quite the fearful fanged beast of nightmare, more as savvy Tonto from the Lone Ranger observed about men who "speak with forked tongue"




'Originally Posted By: Gibor
Since we have to assume we were lied to at some point along the way, I doubt it is safe to assume he still has a contract.

Perhaps, Adept Linguscelesta can answer that.


Posted by: Linguascelesta Re: ******* d'Anjou - 03/11/10 07:03 AM


It is certain that he did get one. He pretended to have one before he did, but then he made up the middle-ground. I know this becase I helped him to sign up.

I would expect him to let it lapse, but cannot day for sure.

What is certain is that he has a DNA archive. I know this because I saw him do it, and he asked me to look after it for him. Thus, I still have it. From a Dayside perspective, I have the ability to resurrect my friend.

This did give me comfort, until I realised that, as far as I can see, his Oath is broken and his life therefore forfeit.

I swear by my Lifeforce and the Breath that sustains it
My loyalty and obedience to Hekal Tiamat
I shall live by the Force of Fang and Claw
I will forever obey the One True Law
I pledge my Will, my Blood, and my Power
I Commit myself totally from this very hour
I am of and for the Body of the Blood
I now serve only the Great Dragon God
If this Oath be ever broken by me
May I be denied Immortality

I regretfully do not see how this Oath could be held to be kept in this situation.

In such a case I cannot see how I should maintain (and subsequently use to resurrect him) what is probably his last hope of life. Even if I didn't sign up to be Lingua the Vampire Slayer, I have my own Oath to maintain.'

Can't make any sense of this cryonics vampirism stuff.
Need an vampire cryonicist scammer Exec Summary!

I will do the best I can - But I am not going to pretend i make sense of it all myself.

The story is George C Smith (AKA Lucas Martel/Nemo) has a backround of Dodgy "self-help" scams: Trancendal Meditation, Psychic readings, stock markets, Martial arts and something called "the anger cure".

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The Temple of the Vampire is a cult which practices the religion of "Vampirism". Its members believe that they practice an ancient religion which they claim has been known by various names over the centuries: Order of the Dragon, Temple of the Dragon, and Temple of the Vampire Dragon Goddess Tiamat.

The Temple believes its membership is made up of those who have "realized their difference from the masses of humanity and discovered they resonate with the night, know they are predators, and want something more out of life".

The public face of the Temple was officially organized in 1989, though they claim their religion goes back much further. The Temple is a secretive occult organisation that is run by an council of members of the Inner Circle or Order of Prometheus.
There are two levels of membership in the Temple. General lifetime membership is available to anyone who purchases a copy of The Vampire Bible from the Temple Active membership in the Temple requires members to pay a monthly subscription (however, members of the Priesthood of UR have the option to pay $100 a year for active membership) .

Apparently to rise to the highest level "Adept" status you have to prove your "devotion" to the cult by purchasing a cryonics contract - then you literally become a "Undead God" in the eyes of the cult. These Adepts then are used by smith to bully other member's into proving their devotion and becoming Adepts and to promote cryonics and other things through other less secret organisation's like Imminst. Its basically a pyramid scheme that George C Smith has developed to punt cryonics institute contracts to people who like the occult from what i can gather.

Below are the more interesting posts by these "adepts":


- Posted by David Styles Aka Lingucelesta
"Originally Posted By: Devilmaycare
This member has a cryonics contract too. Very suprising to see such a member quit."


- In fairness, Persephone and I prodded and poked him into that at great length.

"Originally Posted By: Ishkur
Good to know, and it still appears that we need to address the obvious linkage of Cryonics, Immortality Institute, and the Temple before things get stickier. "

- Posted by David Styles Aka Lingucelesta
Look forward to an update when you are able. Thanks. smile


So, he is doing what he can to link the Temple, CoS, and cryonics as much as possible, and to reveal as much personal information as he knows of Temple members.

He has posted publicly to the following places:

ImmInst

Initially assumed to be a troll with a grudge against me. Was met with some responses such as "Is this for real? If so, I can't help thinking, who cares? My interactions with David on the boards have always been positive". Thread was moved to ImmInst's "Free Speech Forum" which is an unmoderated area where people are allowed to express whatever wacko opinions they want provided they do not break the law.

I deleted one post from the chain, in which he linked to an old web archiving site. The post went to a "trash can" forum, so I deleted it from there as well. This will have been untraceable provided nobody was watching at the time. I am trying to minimise the extent to which I use my admin powers there over this, as any actions I take imply underhandedness if noticed.

Temple member Alert is a moderator at ImmInst, and he is looking out for me. Neither ImmInst nor ******* know of his Temple involvement. He should not take too many actions on my behalf though, as it was I who initially recommended he be made a moderator (for which I was able to give plenty of reasons and an impressive cryonics-related CV on his behalf, so this will not have looked at all suspicious).

The Chairman of the Board of ImmInst has taken the view that it is none of ImmInst's business what Director do in their spare time or hold as religious or affiliatory proclivities, and to back this up he cites a number of fringe religion connections that have been perfectly accepted in ImmInst's past, not least of all start-up money from a David Lucifer of a "Church of Virus", amongst other things that subjectively may be questionable.

The erstwhile Executive Director (now Lead Engineer, and technically holding no political power any more, but as he used to be ED he knows the system and how it can be used) advises that if a member of ImmInst Leadership were to be OPENLY associated with the Church of Satan (his emphasis), and ImmInst took no direction to remove said leader, he'd feel a need to resign immediately and disavow any connection with ImmInst. This he says is a matter of personal security and social consequences.

His reason for beef with the CoS is what he sees as incompatibility with one of the Satanic Laws of the Earth, that goes "If someone bothers you in open territory, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him".

Other members of ImmInst Leadership have now researched the CoS, and are presently arguing the case for the CoS being a non-religious, more anti-religious, organisation of rational atheists who use the S-word for effect.

I'm glad that they are arguing this case, because although I could argue it better, it would rather peg me as a Satanist.

By the way, I have neither confirmed nor denied anything, myself. I have made practical objective comments focussing on managing the PR situation into which ImmInst is placed. I have given the impression that the rumours are obviously false, but I have taken care to not actually deny anything, in case I need to explain the situation openly.

This has not gone un-noticed by the Chairman, whose lawyer's mind seems to be in accord with mine, and he re-iterates that I do not need to confirm or deny anything, but that if I lied then this would be more of an issue.

So now I will not have to answer anything official within ImmInst. What I will still have to do for now is to manage any off-board personal enquiries from friendly people asking if I can tell them on the quiet whether the allegations are true or not.

The moderators were crying out for permission to IP-ban ******* for trolling. Since it is within ImmInst's rules that posters can, in the Free Speech Forum, talk objectively about ImmInst Leadership without fear of censorship, this was turned down. Until ******* helpfully referred to me as a cunt, which earned him a ban.

It is recognised that any action to remove me (or even to suggest the possibility of such to ImmInst's membership) would draw more attention to negative PR and is therefore inadvisable.

Facebook

******* has posted several Temple member's legal identities online. Apparently this was on the Temple imposter page, though I did not see this personally.

Aenigma's blog

He tried to post there, but moderator preview was enabled so the comments never got posted.

My blog

He posted several comments there, which I have now removed. I followed up by enabling moderator preview so this cannot reoccur there.

Flickr

He posted pictures from the Hellfire Caves CoS Conclave, along with captions identifying people, to include Aenigma, Nemo, Isabel, myself, and myself.

He has emailed privately at least the following individuals:

UmbraeNoctem, Temple member

He sent a private message on Facebook, similar to the old ones sent about by Nicholas Strathloch, imploring Temple members to poke through the scam of the Temple. Threatens that "we" will bring down "this hoax" from the inside, implying that he has a collaborator in Active Membership. This is likely, but not necessarily, a bluff.

He then posted on ImmInst, outing UmbraeNoctem there by his legal name.

Alan Sinclair, Cryonics UK President

He forwarded the email to me. In it, ******* is imploring him to question whether someone like me should be allowed to organise CUK. Alan said that he assumed this was rubbish but wanted to let me know so I could deal with it.

I advised him that I'd received these from all over the place, but thanked him for helping me to know how far and wide it was being spread, and said that I wasn't sure how to deal with it, adding in a judicious use of humour, asking rhetorically how one goes about proving one is not a Vampire. I also expressed a hope that this is taken less seriously than Larry Johnson's nonsense.

Alan replied saying that it looked like more funny-business from Garrett Smyth or Mike Darwin, and asked if I wanted him to reply as though he was taking it very seriously to see if he can learn more information.

I told him that I had found that it was a different nut with a different grudge, and that it was a disgruntled ex-CI member. I expressed a hope that if ignored, he'd pipe down.

- Posted by David Styles Aka Lingucelesta
It came to my attention that Aenigma has been "outed" regards to the CoS to Sven, one of my fellow Directors at ImmInst, and Sven's reaction was favourable.

I used Sven therefore to test the waters of the Board of Directors, and spoke with him unofficially regarding the Temple. He responded favourably, and after a long discussion, his final question was "How can I join? Not now, during all this obviously, but later if I want to, how can I join? It seems to make good sense to me".

Sven reported to me regarding the meeting that I skipped where, as expected, this issue was discussed. I had deliberately missed the meeting to avoid answering tricky questions that might be (and were) raised. I blamed the date being wrong in the Google Calendar, which was helpful.

It seemed the overall sentiment was that the Board was behind me but would prefer me to be honest (recognising that I had neither confirmed nor denied anything, and continuing the assertion of my right to avoid commenting if desired).

To this end, I wrote a statement for the Board of Directors, so that they can know the element of truth upon which various lies have been based.

So far the only comment in response to this statement has been from Sven, arguing the case for keeping things quiet if possible.

I had some email interaction with Alan Sinclair of Cryonics UK, who is now taking it surprisingly badly. I think however that it is only his poor communication skills that are preventing him from understanding the concepts involved. When they sink in, he should be ok. He thinks that our membership, and the leadership of CI and Alcor, should know about this, and suggests indirectly that CUK should publicly condemn me, which would probably do more to alienate CUK as an entity than me as an individual.

I have given him Enneagram keys, and Carnegie treatment, hoping to help him to understand that cutting Us out of cryonics is not possible and would not be desirable even if it were possible, and that if necessary we would go ahead and continue the current level of progress without him, but that we'd much rather still have him on board. Gently making it clear that if it comes down to a loss of him or a loss of me, it will be a loss of him and we'll be sad about that loss.

Incidentally, the worst Alan could do is call for me to be impeached. This would require a two thirds majority vote of members present at a meeting that has been called for discussing a complaint against me. He would probably not be able to get such a vote, because Temple members make up around 1/3 of CUK membership now, and they will support reason, as will our overseas members whom I'll enable to attend the meeting from a distance and vote favourably too.

I spoke with the leader of Alcor Portugal about this, with whom I work a lot, and he is entirely reasonable.

He tells me that because making a judgement based on the rants of one person in the internet is no way to make a decision about the organisations, he will read the literature available on their websites, telling me that if all is as I have said it is, then he sees no problem beyond the PR issue, which he trusts me to handle.

He then went on to tell me about the importance of not judging an organisation on its membership, and the importance of instead referring to its own materials in order to make a judgement. I told him that he was a wise man and that I wished more people understood this.

Ben Best advised that it may be sensible to prepare a statement for the CI Board of Directors, such that there is a good solid first impression of the information, as it seems unlikely to avoid it being raised.

He left the decision as to whether to do so or remain silent in my hands (he would not mention anything about the Temple to the Board of Directors without my permission), so I have given him a statement that he may hand to the Board of Directors at his discretion; this statement is a modified version of the one I earlier wrote for ImmInst.

It goes thus:

Quote:
There have recently been some statements made about me quite publicly. Of these, a couple are true, and most are false.

After much consideration, and consultation with colleagues, it has been decided that I should address these issues. (I will mention in advance that while I have been evasive, I have at no point denied anything that is true or said anything that is false. Ironically, given how I have been betrayed, I value trust very highly and avoid lying at all costs).

Quote:
I don't know if this has come to your attention, but David Styles, a member of the [ImmInst] board of directors, seems to have some dodgy and questionable affiliations.


That would depend on one's definition of "dodgy" and "questionable", bearing in mind that very, very many people in organisational leadership positions are Freemasons and nobody blinks at this.

Quote:
First of all, he is a member of the Church of Satan, where he has the rank of "Warlock". This isn't so serious and would have no effect on him being in the board of directors.


I am a member of the Church of Satan. What this means is that I am an atheistic, materialistic, pragmatic realist who enjoys life to the fullest, and acts rationally rather than irresponsibly. After all, Christianity argues that everyone makes mistakes and God will forgive all. Satanism champions instead the idea of "responsibility to the responsible", which means that if I err, I have to deal with the consequences. This makes for more responsible people.

I do indeed hold the title of "Warlock". This means that the Church of Satan has recognised me as somebody who is a mover-shaker who a) gets things done and b) has good people skills.

It is worth noting that the Church of Satan condemns any criminal activities and does not allow such of its members.

Quote:
Secondly, he is also a member of a suspicious "secret society" called the "Temple of the Vampire."


I am a member of the Temple of the Vampire, which is a secret society. By "suspicious", I can only assume this is colourful word salad as the word has no logically inferable meaning here.

It is worth noting here that the Temple of the Vampire will permanently Excommunicate any member who cannot obey the law. As a result, the Temple has a more squeaky clean image than most groups of most kinds.

Quote:
It's some pseudo-occultic group


"Occult" means "hidden". By this definition, the group is occult.

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that claims a direct connection to what they term the 'Undead Gods' who can be contacted in a ritual the Temple calls "communion". The members call themselves "Vampires" and go around "feeding" on people's "lifeforce" by breathing and pretending to be sucking people's energy.


Much like Freemasons use psychodrama to convey morality tales, the Temple of the Vampire uses metaphor to convey ideas (specifically, tools to enable our membership to progress and further the ends of immortality for themselves and others who want it). To this end, the Temple uses a tri-une metaphysics, thus:

The Dayside: Presented in an "as is" fashion, says what it means, and refers to conventionally agreed upon as reality. Cold hard materialism. Tried and tested methods of doing things.
The Nightside: Presented cloaked in metaphor, and includes methods of using one's conscious and subconscious mind more usefully.
The Twilight: The point at which it is recognised that these two are operating within the same set of rules, akin to the dictum that "the difference between science and technology lies in the knowledge of the observer".

Hence, much like Freemasons, yes, the Temple has rituals that rely on psychodrama to inculcate understanding of concepts that are better handled in the first instance by the subconscious than the conscious.

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Mr Styles goes by the nickname "Linguascelesta" on the Temple's message board and holds the title of "Adept" (it's the highest degree possible, apprently).


This is true.

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The Temple's administrator, a fellow called George C. Smith (with a very interesting occult background in the Church of Satan and Temple of Set) asks members to sign up to cryonics but ensures that their membership in the Temple remains a secret for fear of damaging the reputation of organisations like CI, Alcor and ImmInst.


The Temple of the Vampire does indeed insist that its membership refrain from allowing such organisations to be publicly associated with us, on pain of Excommunication. This is to protect the image of those organisations. For this reason, I was not at liberty to divulge my Temple membership here.

As we are a secret society, I cannot confirm or deny the membership of anybody in the Temple without permission. As such, I cannot comment on the George C. Smith mentioned. I can advise that the Temple's administration team consists of a lot more than one person, as this comment would otherwise suggest.

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Now, what exactly is the agenda of this Temple? Apparently, world domination, as they claim. Hahaha. What a joke.


The Temple's mission is actually to help those who wish to live forever, to do so.

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Isn't in embarrassing to have a person who is gullible enough to fall for all this nonsense in the board of directors?


There is no con, no scam, nothing for which to fall. A common-sense organisation. Regards to the Temple's Nightside claims, we actively tell our members to not believe them.

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Don't believe me? Look up the name "Linguascelesta" on Google and the results will be very, very interesting.


Until he put a lot of things on the internet about me, Googling "Linguascelesta" would produce my (non-identifying) profile on the Temple's website, my (non-identifying) profile on the Church of Satan website, my personal site which only links to the above organisations and comments on a few, very non-identifying pieces of information, and a (non-identifying) online chess account.

Now, he has filled the web with comments about me and those will appear on Google.

He created the PR mess that he claims to want to help CI avoid. If he really meant this, he would have emailed quietly about this and not posted publicly for all to see.

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Organisations like the Cryonics Institute and ImmInst can't have people like these on board. That's my opinion, at least


And yet we make up a large portion of CI and Immortality Institute membership. We can't be excised. I could be excised (frankly, I'd resign if I thought it would help - like I said, we're in this for your benefit) but it wouldn't help. The PR issue is still there, and the last thing you want is a huge witch-hunt tearing apart the immortalist demographic globally.

What this poster wants is for the movement to cause damage to itself by in-fighting. He has his issues with us, and as a result, he wants to hurt us. He knows he can't hurt us directly; many have tried and failed. So instead he is trying to damage the thing that we most care about, that cannot defend itself, and that he knows we will do anything (short of breaking the law) to protect.

Understand that we have kept our involvement with this field secret successfully for decades, despite always having been in the thick of it.

If we have hidden things from you, it has been for your protection. We knew all along that our imagery would not be good to associate with shiny scientific endeavours, for PR reasons. So although we have always poured our resources into such, we never let you know, lest the media find out, and the public come marching up the hill with pitchforks.

Why then did we involve ourselves in this field? Well, almost nobody else was doing it and the field needed useful hands on deck. Bear in mind that we were at this long before you were. We have been the researchers, the businessmen, the doctors, the lawyers, the artists, the engineers, the PR guys, etc working behind the scenes to make sure the wheels kept turning.

We have been the coordinated sudden mass efforts that periodically appear from nowhere to swamp something with support and disappear as quickly afterwards when the goal is accomplished.

We have been the people who will never say die.

We are accused, by unfriendly outside observers, of being élitist. It is because we have always been the most active core of this movement, and we know it.

And yet, despite our best efforts, one traitor has caused all this work (ours and yours) to be threatened by association with the driving force that has allowed the movement to get where it is. It was mentioned to me by a member of Leadership at ImmInst that ImmInst has worked hard to get rid of mysticism and snake-oil type rubbish, and has finally succeeded all so recently in having messageboard facilities clear of that kind of thing.

To that I respond here: You're welcome.

You see, because we have always been very aware of the importance of image, we have worked harder than anyone to make this movement as shiny, scientific, and "normal" as possible.

Recently I met with a large number of cryonicists at a conference. There were a fair number of those present who looked a bit like they might be interested in the occult, or Satanism, or similar "odd" things. And do you know what? None of the people who most seemed that way, were actually us. *We* were the normal-looking ones. We look more normal than the normal people! We know that we need to look normal!

It was the people who were not "us" that didn't know there was something they needed to hide, and thus went about dressing oddly and making comments that drove us crazy because we were far more image conscious.

Postscript: You may wonder about my personal qualities if I am telling you the above things about the Temple of the Vampire if I am sworn to secrecy, not to speak of the Temple without permission. To address this potentially apparent incongruence, I will mention that I have been authorised to represent the Temple in this fashion.


In other news, I spoke with the CoS High Priestess, expressing this situation from a CoS perspective (bearing in mind that I and the other compromised people are CoS members, and that ******* is also an ex-CoS member).

She expressed supportiveness and ask me for clarification regarding what had caused him to turn on CoS members like this, and I explained his reasoning to the best of my understanding, framing things in CoS terms as much as possible.

________________________________________________________________________

I have additionally spoken with Ben Best regarding the situation, operating on the assumption that if ******* is contacting everyone and their cat about this, it will also reach CI's ears. As, up until this point, Ben was the only person remotely suspicious of me, when the rumour reached him it would answer a lot of questions he had, so it was better if he had the facts from me first.

I should mention that I did get permission from Nemo who in turn got permission from Senior Management regarding this.

I filled Ben in on the past couple of decades of secrets that he has missed, and brainstormed with him regarding fixes for this situation.

He took it very well and reacted very reasonably, by the way.

He shares my suspicion that Andy Zawacki will not take it at all well or react very reasonably.

He will endeavour to intercept the CI email, which he checks while Andy is away (as he currently is for a few days), in the hopes of deleting anything from ******* before Andy sees it. It is understood however that Andy might still read it first on his Blackberry.

He thinks that it is possible that Andy will react suddenly with a public disavowal of any such associations, but more likely that he will take it to the CI Board of Directors for them to tackle.

The CI Board of Directors meets only once every few months, but will meet this Sunday.

If Andy hears of this in time to take it to the Directors before Sunday, and it is raised in the meeting, Ben will argue the case for watching and waiting at least a little bit before taking any action. This will mean no action will be taken before the next Board meeting, a few months away. This will give us breathing room.

Ben thinks it would be a good idea if, to help matters more in future, we could get someone on the Board of Directors in the next election. The deadline for becoming a candidate is August the 7th, 2010, but he advises to announce intention as early as possible to be listed in Long Life magazine.

Ben thinks that despite this current PR situation, I'd stand a good chance of being elected, given my reputation and what I have already done in the field.

Ben thinks it would not look suspicious, and advises that my recent election to the ImmInst Board of Directors did not look at all suspicious, and rather than acting against me, would stand in my favour.

Ben would support my candidacy.

I and administration previously discussed putting Faelyn into the Board of Directors, but since Ben thinks it wouldn't look suspicious to have me in, and Faelyn is now "outed" by ******* as well, and I have a known and reputable background in cryonics, I would be the less suspicious and more useful candidate.

Regards to the public ramifications of me being "outed" as a Satanist (which is the aspect most people seem to be focussing on, rather than my Temple involvement as intended by *******), it is deemed likely that most people within our field would be able to quickly recognise what the CoS is and isn't (after all, our field is broadly filled with intelligent people with enquiring minds who like reading, and it's clear from the ImmInst reaction that this process is pretty quick to emerge), and just think me a more radical atheist than they previously thought me.

Which reminds me, I have expressed a materialistic standpoint to Ben regarding the Temple. This came up as he mused that *******'s stated beef with the Temple seems to be twofold:

1) The Temple is a financial scam
2) We are bunch of silly gullible believers

To the former, he could readily see from publicly available evidence that we basically charge money for products and services, which is something a lot of organisations do.

To the latter, he asked "Well, do you believe that you have a direct line of Communication to some Undead Gods?"

To this I replied with an explanation of the Temple's use of metaphor, the Temple's disclaimer, the Temple's motto, etc, and expressed a sadness that occasionally members don't action these words.

I framed everything in the Dayside, and presented the Nightside as a metaphor, drawing a similarity to how Freemasons use psychodrama to convey morality lessons etc.

I explained how the Temple doesn't exist to get money from its members, and that what it actually wants from its members is work, and that to achieve this it gives its members tools that will help them to get ahead in the world and better contribute to our common goals.

Regarding discretion, Ben said "Don't worry, I'm carrying more secrets than the Titanic, I can handle one more".

___________________________________________________________________________

One more thing:

By the wonders of mass mailing, I have been invited to attend a cryonics talk in London on May the 16th. I'm glad I was invited, as I think it will be a good talk, because I will be the speaker.

The title I have been given on which to speak is "Cryonics UK - One Year On - An update from David Styles".

I will report, as the name suggests, what (considerable!) progress has been made in the UK in terms of cryonics in the year I have been organising it.

As ******* has been affiliated with the UK Transhumanist Association (whom I will be addressing at a university in London), he will have been invited too. He may turn up to heckle me.

If he does, I will endeavour to brush off comments or questions regarding my affiliations dismissively. If he asks it in an "any questions" section, I will sigh and amend to "any relevantquestions?".

If he persists, and I am really backed into a corner, the plan is as follows:

******* will likely address the two things he sees as wrong with the Temple, money and gullibility.

If he brings up money, I will advise that if he wants to discuss secret society membership fees, he should probably check out the local Masonic lodge (granted, I know the Freemasons rejected him some time ago, but the audience won't know that).

If he brings up gullibility, I will turn it on him, playing the materialist card.

I will look at him like he is a moron, and respond to anything Nightside he mentions in the following manner:

[if, for example, he brings up the Apocalpyse, as he did in his email to Alan Sinclair"]

"So, let me get this straight, you're asking about the point in the future where powerful, super-intelligent entities reorganise governance of the world, and you don't realise this is talking about the Technological Singularity? Can you really not understand a such a simple metaphor? If I told you that you were barking up the wrong tree, would you look up, and say 'I can't see any tree, what are you talking about?' - I'm really having difficulty seeing what you're failing to understand here"

[if, for example, he brings up Undead Gods]

"Ok, you're asking about powerful super-intelligent beings who can go from one body to another or operate without being embodied? Mind uploading, much? This really should be obvious to anyone with a passing interest in Transhumanism - I'm not sure what you're missing" (and look at him like I think he's missing a braincell or two)

[if on the other hand he tries to argue, as he did at ImmInst, that he is doing this for the good of the PR of cryonics etc, outing the Temple's secrets so it can be excised like a cancer from the movement, this manner of response suggested by Nemo]

"Let me get this straight. You acknowledge that being associated with such organisations might look bad for cryonics groups, and thus, to protect them, you are linking the two as publicly as possible? Are you trying to trying to bring down cryonics? Is that what you're here for?"

Of course it is what he's there for, but he will be loathe to admit that.[/quote]

No offense, Richie, as I'm very interested in this topic and your research, but that last post was totally unreadable.

sorry Shakti - It's not really my "research" - I had a person contact me via the Factsheet website who said they used to be in a Vampire Cult with David Styles of Eucrio infamy.
They are pretty angry and its hard to tell how much of this is true which is why I just posted what they are saying without my opinion. I think the person is honest about what they experienced
but theres a lot of anger too - so who knows what this is reallly about - I really don't know myself - sorry if my last post didnt make much sense - but im in the dark here too.

I am trying to get them to post on here - so they can give us a better "exec summary" and clear things up for us.

Theres more at the Museum of Hoaxes website and the website i originally posted - It could also be a "misdirection techniques by the some of the more hardline cryo-cultists - Feed info thats so crazy then post its bullshit so the "anti-culters" look stupid. Thats pretty unlikely being as so much detail is in this - but lets not forget some cryoncists are sci-fi writers!

All i can say is that the Temple of Vampires is a real organisation and its message boards are private - so it iS possible that "G." has made all this up - its not like we can link to a public forum to confirm it - just "G's" website.

You can download the Temple of Vampires Bible on Bitorrent but it doesnt mention cryonics just a load of occultic mumbo-jumbo.

I will get back to this when i have some free time - i got a lot on this W/E and I am trying not to be "obsessive" about this - I have spent too much time doing this recently and If I am not carefull i am going to become a David Ike Character ! (Lol just kidding but you know what i mean)

This is a interesting project for me but its not like I get paid for it, I only set up the factsheet so i could find out more reserach for a book i am trying to write about technology cults. I never really intended to get into this so deep but some people think i am helping them so I will continue to do so while thats the case.