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Re: Lama dondrup Dorje / Peter Young FAKE
Posted by: Shields-Bob ()
Date: October 23, 2018 06:42PM

Peter Young is as far as I remember is Malay Chinese. He came to the UK as a supposed mental health nurse/carer in the eighties. This was an easy entry route at the time. Get the right paperwork and you were granted entry. Of course he had bigger ideas than that. Someone needs to ask Lama Bigdong about his dodgy porno video rental shop. This was located on the Coast road (Newcastle upon-Tyne) and had a 'special room' for the porno collection . This was illegal, the shop raided and closed down. He reinvented himself as a kung-fu master (self taught from books and videos) and started his brainwashing journey with young victims who were just leaving home for their first year of university. He is a complete and utter charlatan. I was amazed to hear he is now a Lama! I am sure this thread will grow...

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Re: Lama dondrup Dorje / Peter Young FAKE
Posted by: anon27 ()
Date: November 20, 2018 07:51PM

I’ve extracted relevant quotes from the other thread on Peter Young to give easier access.
The full thread can be found here:

Posted by: howi ()
Date: September 15, 2005 10:05PM
... [Peter Young]... runs this program ... Once I got up there it became clear that these people think he has supernatural abilities.
... He was certainly good at brainwashing his students. They worshipped the man.
He wore sunglasses all the time as he had "the eyes of a buddha" that would
be too much if people looked at them....
... The people who follow this guy seem to be in a state of trance and basically give up the rest of their life to follow and learn from him. ... Anyways, it just got too weird for me. ... It all turned into unleashing your Chi to amazing results to obtain powers of control and ability that you never could reach by yourself.

Posted by: paracelsus ()
Date: November 23, 2006 05:37AM
I know Peter Young. I'd be seriously worried about anybody close to me being part of his group.

He was kicked out of the Tai Chi Union of Great Britain several years ago for unethical conduct. He is a fairly accomplished liar and I'd check out any credentials he offers very carefully.
He has left a trail of burnt out and broken students behind him.
The ones that remain are, indeed, pretty much brainwashed and regard him as a Buddha. He has been charging top dollar for teaching Buddhism for nearly 10 years though from what I could divine this was contrary to the sect which he had joined.
He is superficially pleasant unless challenged and then can become exceptionally abusive and unpleasant. In altered states he gives the impression of actually not being completely all there. Stay away and hold on to your money. If you doubt this - get in contact with reputable members of the Tai Chi Union of Great Britain who will put you straight on Peter Young.

Posted by: karmabiting ()
Date: December 02, 2008 04:05AM
I have been a student of HH Penor Rinpoche's, for twelve years, and have attended the one month summer retreat every year since they began. Dr. Young, (honorary title) has spent a number of years at these retreats.
While Peter is a student of Rinpoche's, I would not say that he has any "special" endorsement from him.
If you read Dr. Young's website carefully, he skillfully manipulates the language to present a portrait of himself that inflates his standing.
While there are no blatant lies (as far as I know) in his statements about himself, there is a good deal of exageration and subtle massaging of the truth. For example, Dr. Young states that he has received all kinds of major empowerments and initiations. That is true, but so did anyone who paid for the retreats. He also lists his various dharma names and titles, and explains their meaning. They are quite impressive.
But anyone who has been on the Tibetan Buddhist path for long can reel out a hefty list of impressive titles and names. That is the custom.

Aside from his first name, the only thing I ever heard Penor Rinpoche call Peter was a liar. This was during the summer retreat, where Rinpoche said he did not "take money from liars", and refused Peter's monetary offering in front of the entire group of retreatants.

Dr. Young has taken to wearing the robes of a monk, and now usually sits with the ordained sangha during practice. I don't know if he has become a monk, but, if anyone knows if he is ordained, I would like to know when, where and by whom.

It is my personal observation that Dr. Young is working very hard to become a well-known teacher and master. However, his association with His Holiness Penor Rinpoche and the Palyul lineage in no way guarantees that his organization is not a cult. ...
... If I had a good friend or child who wanted to study Dharma, I would point them toward "the real thing", not a "wanna be".

Posted by: DrBill ()
Date: January 03, 2011 10:33PM
I knew Peter Young when he lived in Newcastle-upon-Tyne. In my experience and opinion, he was a technically competent martial artist, but he had a big ego, and was dogmatic and intolerant of criticism.
The "chi" demonstrations that you can see on YouTube are classic examples of a strange kind of mass delusion that is fairly common in the martial arts. ...

... How can one explain the evident fact that students are so often ready to let even manifestly fraudulent or ridiculous claims pass unchallenged?
Why go on handing over your money to someone who is clearly a charlatan?

The answer, I suggest, is partly that students are imbued from the first with an unduly deferential and unquestioning attitude to their teachers. ... I suspect also that their denial of the obvious arises from ego-needs of their own: from the wish to believe that they are the disciples of a wise master who can lead them to some cherished goal. It is natural enough to want to belong to an in-group or a “family.” It is natural also, at least for a certain type of personality, to want to place oneself in the hands of a trusted authority figure. This is precisely the kind of dependent and impressionable personality that makes “cults” possible.
... I have seen this kind of collective delusion many times, and it leads to a simple conclusion: that every dishonest teacher is sustained in his position by the suggestibility of students who allow themselves to be deluded.

Posted by: Hmm ()
Date: June 12, 2011 03:41AM
My Personal experience with Peter Young ("Lama Dondrup Dorje") is that he is highly manipulative and abusive. Apparently he gets a sense of pleasure by being in control of other people. He is not a real Lama. Demon would be a proper title for him. Stay away from him is my advice, he has nothing good to offer.

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Re: Lama dondrup Dorje / Peter Young FAKE
Posted by: anon27 ()
Date: November 20, 2018 08:25PM

I was there when PY was given his PhD, which prompted him to call himself "Dr Young" for several years (as referred to in the above post), until he found himself a new title (Lama).

The PhD was given to him by a Chinese friend of his who ran some kind of education establishment in the USA.
If you know something about education in the USA you will know that these establishments basically only have satisfy financial criteria in order to award whatever certificates they want.
Needless to say this establishment had no real standing or recognition of any kind. I can't find any trace of it on the internet now.

This friend of his gave PY the PhD, because PY hosted this friend for a weekend in the UK.

That's it. That's the only reason he has a PhD.
PY hosted a friend for a weekend.

The PhD is not worth the paper it was printed on, and for PY to call himself "Dr" for many years as a result, once again shows how deceptive he is.

It also shows how little respect PY has for any title or honorific.
Many people work for years to get a PhD. He hosted a friend for the weekend, and had no shame in claiming the honour.
Amongst the military, this is called "stolen valour".

I saw this happen myself, directly, and was astonished when PY started to call himself "Dr" the following week, changing his business cards to relfect the new title.

PY's use of "Lama" and "Rinpoche" follow the same pattern.

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Re: Lama dondrup Dorje / Peter Young FAKE
Posted by: anon27 ()
Date: November 21, 2018 08:35PM

To update a link that seems to have gone down, the reference to Pathgate and PY being recognised as:

"'maximum' on the Group Psychological Abuse Scale, characterized by absolutely indefensible misbehavior and violation of the common vows of Vajrayana Buddhism ... a clear and present danger to its membership, and to society at large. They are to be regarded as an openly notorious threat to His Holiness the Dalai Lama, and other individuals in a position to refute their claims."

Is now here: []

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/21/2018 08:38PM by anon27.

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