No one wants to believe there is no such thing as Santa Clause.

There is no such thing.

Those who know don’t have to spend anytime looking again or trying to prove it.

They know.

AnnetteChappelle Wrote:
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Mooji asked
> for her hand to hold. In a few moments Mooji
> closed his eyes and holding my friends hand, my
> friends head fell forward and I caught her head in
> my hands. She was unconscious. We were all
> escorted down the hall and I remember looking back
> feeling very uneasy leaving her in there
> unconscious with Mooji. She re emerged and kept
> falling down and fainting all night. They wouldn’t
> let me by her, until Insay we were family. I won’t
> say more about her condition but I got an email
> from Shree saying she should have let us stay.
> After talking with my friend, I got a big
> surprise. After reading about hyponosis another
> surprise and after learning first hand accounts of
> the dirty work Shree does for M. my mind got
> another one.
>
> It’s a lot clearer what M does to people now.



Annette, that is very disturbing to hear about your friend!! I hope she (and others!) is okay and safe now!!

Yes, I agree with Ananas,

Annette - what you wrote about your friend and her conscious state and what I think you are inferring is very disturbing. I hope you feel comfortable to expand upon this a little more.

Please be reassured that if you are not comfortable giving further information, then that is very understandable and there is no pressure to do so.

The main thing is to look after yourself right now.

hi Annette,

indeed what you're discribing there is horrific. I also hope your friend is alright. Out of his clutches.

Shree to me is like a faithful dog waiting for this bone that will never come her way. Neither being young nor having the favoured features. Heard Moo say once in a recorded satsang she was so reliable. The coldness in his tone while he said that word send shivers down my spine. It must have escaped him unintentionally...I guess he is just using her, like everyone around him, for his own purposes. So sad.

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The coldness in his tone while he said that word send shivers down my spine. It must have escaped him unintentionally...

non verbal emotional leakage

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Just in case anyone dismisses this discussion as something trivial, here's some information:

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Snapping-out yes, it's very sad. I've learned some things he's had her do for him and it showed me what a coward he is, he will bully but he's a coward.

I don't feel to show my cards anymore regarding my friend or many other things I saw and know.

I feel I have given enough to allow people to decide if they want to go see M or not. I'm just one person and had many disturbing experiences. That the everyday person would find so. What surprised me was the way the group had stopped responding in a normal way. Toward each other and toward him. But for now that will be all.

I prefer to live my life and work to get over the trauma bonding. Discussing it a lot and giving all the examples just reinforces the trauma. I am willing to do it for an investigation into him but not just for the sake of giving out more information. There is a surprise element that is lost in speaking about things and does allow M to hide things, as he does.

I truly love Krishnibai. I heard an interview she gave Bill Free and she said she met M out of high school on a school project. I also saw her transformation in videos. She's been rewired by him. I presume the gift I brought with me to give to her is long gone. But my heart will always feel her lostness and hope she can find her way back to herself someday. I've seen her fierceness toward others who would dare speak out so I'm sure the same goes for me. But, I hope she will be ok when all is said and done.



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Here are a few videos I have found on trauma bonding that helped me, maybe someone else can benefit to

The presenter is so so but the content is good

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And this one from someone who has helped me a lot, all her videos resonate

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I have NO desire to gossip or bring M down or ruin his image or whatever people may say. The things I share were what I witnessed. But I won't give out anymore details.

I think for example the Bill Free interview will now disappear. One call. And it will be gone. See this is why NOT to share things on here. It would be like telling a criminal in jail, heybwe know this this and this and we know it's in your cell so sometime we may come get it. It would be careless and stupid.

So I will wait. I will check emails. This post will be here and someday someone will see I may be able to help them. This is who and why I am writing.



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Testimonial found on Facebook (perhaps better not mention the page in view of what Annette said just above?)

After just hearing about the tragic death of Flo Camoin at Monte Sahaja I would like to share my experience after following Mooji for the past year. I met him in the 2017 season in Rishikesh for the first time during the open Satsangs. I was overwhelmed by the energy in Satsang and the many transformative stories and intense emotions people would expose. Although the frequent crying, screaming and appearance of many weird individuals as well as some exorcism-like episodes were scary in the beginning I would contribute this to his power as a teacher and was sure to have found a great master.
The empty smiles and stares of some of his disciples who welcomed the people at the entrance as well as his grandiose entry to Satsang at the International Yoga Festival at Parmarth, with drums, music and dozens of disciples surrounding him gave me a first bad taste of this being another person cult. Later I would attribute this impression to be resistance from my ego-mind and I tended to belittle the many signs of egoic behavior Mooji himself presented and the cult-like devotion around his body.
I was following Eckhart Tolles pointings for about 1 year before meeting Mooji and never witnessed such overtly demonstrated “enlightenment” and emotional outbursts and was sure this comes from truth, not being aware this could also be a form of hysteria (I noticed that it’s almost only women who scream and cry during Satsang)!
After returning from India I met with the local Mooji Sangha regularly and came in closer contact with long-term Mooji followers. Despite the very lovely and peaceful Satsang-field we created together (which reminded me of the following Bible passage: “For where two or three gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.” Metthew 18:20) I was frequently irritated about the extreme centeredness around the person Mooji and the supposed superpowers attributed to him by some hardcore devotees.
Over time I found myself losing all interest in most worldly activities and would spend most of the day watching Satsang and immerse myself fully into Moojis pointings, teachings, opinions and worldviews without questioning his own ego and guru-identity anymore. I would interpret any criticism and irritation arising inside me as signs of my ego-mind and thus dismiss it immediately! In the beginning I was happy with the goal-oriented instant-awakening approach but over time this built up the pressure to “get it” fast or otherwise being stamped as a hopeless case. It clearly felt that this impatient goal-orientation could on the deepest level not be authentic and true! With hundreds of hours of Satsang in retreats, intensives, silent sittings, available on Youtube I noticed also a kind of addictiveness to listen to him.
Having no interest in pursuing a career anymore I found myself more and more in a financial and familial crisis and eventually slipped into a truly horrible dark night. I spoke to some people from the Sangha who expressed having similar problems and did not find Moojis statements on this topic very helpful, given the fact that he himself did not have to care of such matters for decades, living in a protected ashram-cocoon.
It so came to me spontaneously to investigate on this to see if there are other people who have problems leading a fulfilling life after following Moojis guidance for too long and I found the post about the suicide of Flo Camoin at the Monte Sahaja Ashram. I was very touched when reading this as I saw him in Rishikesh almost every day at Satsang. I remember that he made a very decent, peaceful and calm impression to me when diligently fulfilling his task of guiding the people to a sitting spot that very much touched me. Though we`ll probably never know what was going on in Flo that he decided to end his life, the fact that his suicide is only mentioned only very shortly at facebook and the Sangha is encouraged by the official Mooji facebook site to “keep silent” about this is somehow dubious. I spent many hours reading through other people’s testimonies of the cult-like dynamic that built up around Mooji and finally dropped the idea of a Guru who is the embodiment of God himself. And now it feels like a huge burden and heavy weight is finally lifted off my shoulders. I can breathe again and my Sadhana has come to a new level. I follow my own heart and embrace the immaculate beauty and beingness of nature again. Yes, Grace brought me to Mooji and yes, Grace let me drop the idea of him being special.
I write this to encourage people who feel stuck in their Sadhana and are in a similar position. The only true teacher is the Sadhguru within. Excessive worshipping and consuming one person’s thoughts and ideas can never be healthy and true, even if you abstract this in your mind to be impersonal! I saw how addictive his never ending stream of words in Satsang can be (Where is the sacred silence of Ramana?) and how many Sangha members lose interest in life about this. His pointings can be full of truth and deeply transformative but people around him should not forget that he too is a human being and not let the worshipping around his body slowly take excessive dimensions (just compare Satsangs from 2009 or even 2013 with now)."