Re: Mooji a cult?
Date: March 11, 2019 12:18PM
can’t speak on the sexual nature of abuse but as someone who’s spent thousands of hours in online satsang w Mooji over the past 3 years - i am familiar with the nuances of the climate there and whats promoted / encouraged /upheld -
i can see where psychological trauma could result if the teachings are now being used to serve him, where he should be in service to them. Yes truth combusts into paradox but personal motivations will open the doors of the house to manipulative tendencies and clever excuse for lack of moral compass. If you expect Mooji to confess, feel remorseful about , focus upon, his dynamic existence, I wouldnt hold your breath. He is "vaccinated" in the knowing that it isn’t our business - our job is to watch, be one with the self. He will often quote Nisargadatta Maharaj “I leave my human nature to unfold according to its destiny. I remain as I am.”
Who’s the blame? Nobody. If anyone’s to blame must be Paramatman
… or something. And then who’s going to take Paramatman
to court? Must be Paramatman
In Sahaja Express May 7 2017 “The True Yoga of Being” Mooji says he will get very strong feelings of poison/toxins in the body especially after satsangs, body saturated by people’s yuck, the seeming repercussions being he will develop cravings for spicy food and “strong Youtubes”, habits in the body that he has to push/work against. i have not heard him speak on any perceived personal weakness.. he will say, “there’s no perfect personality, not one being has been loved by all, not even God” He says he is not too hard on himself nor on others
For the record, the mind according to mooji is personhood. And that while still in the state of dreaming you’re a person, the ego mind is basically satan - the serpents voice, until seen through. The team has coined the term “sleeping pill questions” for base questions asked in satsang such as how to raise kundalini. Sahajans do not promote kundalini they actually strongly discourage it as they say it can leave bodies wrecked and in wretched states of uncontrollable movement for long periods of time, strange reckless energy - to hell with the chakras etc
It’s true the mind won’t cooperate with anything that threatens its individuality. What if tho, one is on board w freedom from the ego but jeez, we work a lot here (this has been voiced at satsang via Sahaja Express before) nonetheless in the end it doesn’t matter who works the most/hardest, he selects who stays based on their energy. Or Guruji i can recognize it from the place of consciousness but i feel i used to be kinder and more humble before (what the bhajans piano player German devotee expresses in 2/25/19 Sahaja Express “ God Is Testing You — And You Are Overcoming!“) Mooji says it’s the devil’s final punch, to make you feel like the failed sadhaka, and if you wanna leave go ahead but where would you go anyway? You’d be taking your mind with. And how you’d betray all your sangha brothers and sisters (summarizing - do watch w free promotional subscription if curious). Or based off his spontaneous moods being righteously or self-righteously (depending) strong and chopping the belief in ourselves as persons - can mess with some beings’ sense of reality/ seem abusive or gaslighty especially as he most likely forgets about it the next minute.
Or maybe the devotee ego too dense and that’s frustrating for a guru who indeed is hungry for success stories, a radiantly mature sangha, in part because it reflects well on and satisfies his self image, provides proof that he’s still got it (grace). He’ll smdh @ people for leaving Sahaja prematurely or at all, or for Tiru (where u may not be challenged), hypothetically asking the sangha “if i chose 30 of you to work with more intimately [like apostles or something], would you be it?” It is not uncommon to hear declarations/affirmations to Mooji such as “I am 100% here for this” in a very earnest way almost as if submitting /surrendering a part of their spirit to him at the mic, which in any genuine devotee/guru relationship must happen, i just dont know what’s gone wrong w Mooji and sahajans
tbh i kinda digg the whole come up for air and the guru sticks ur head under water over and over til u kinda asphyxiate and die , but i could see where some would not take to that, and where i could be wrong and the feeling of intimate hurt is strong if somehow laced with personal motivation from the master
Anyway, the collectively embraced spirit of Sahaja is pretty unsparing. It aspires for the highest , to live free from the sense of any rights and free from sense of will. The only real choice is to choose freedom. And freedom has chosen you! So what’s it gonna be? You’re free to be free, free to be bound. Just kno that jus cause your world appears to be true, doesn’t mean it’s Truth.
Here is a transcription from an interview where he talks about how there’s no such thing as free will, the false illusion of an even playing field in the human kingdom , and how law of attraction works at level of identity:
"Under any sort of true scrutiny, we cannot admit to have real choice, because if we had full choice, we’d all be living exactly the life that we wished in our minds to live. And that’s clearly not the case. What we are living is the fruit of our maturity, also. And I say that of course, while there is a sense of autonomy, if we were will-less, then there could not be the sense of autonomy. So when consciousness choose to manifest as diverse beings, it must imbue those beings with a sense or the illusion of making individual purposeful independent choice — even independent of God. And that’s where I believe how we inherit arrogance, which itself creates in us a deeper sense of separateness — for a while. Because no one can be lastingly arrogant. Because with mature arrogance comes deep pain, at some point. And what I said was that nobody can act contrary to the will of the Supreme, meaning that there isn’t…
Can I say something…it might sound a bit crazy, because for me, there is not any separate people doing any separate things actually. Because I can only go so far with saying things like that and then I have to confess that I can’t go further with that I cannot admit that they are independent people doing independent things. Any more than I can say that there are waves - individual waves - going their own way on the surface of the ocean. For a while it seems like that, and I can still understand that because we are living in a very diverse field of consciousness expressing itself into the form of varying levels of human experience and spiritual maturity and so on. So we’re not fooled, we live in an environment where there are people wiser than ourselves and more foolish than ourselves so we are seeing this, if you are at least smart enough to see that and admit that — that there’s a place where you are speaking with beings who have an inflated idea of their own autonomy. And even though life is showing them clearly that they don’t, they cannot admit that. So that is one of the great things of consciousness for me, and at the same time there are others who seem to be so attuned to consciousness in its authentic expression, and also have a sense of surrendered their idea of personal will, and seem far freer and happier in their life. Yet these two extremes rarely meet to talk because it’s almost as though there’s an incapability at the level of Identity … really distances us from real common sense understanding. I call wisdom God’s common sense, basically. And we seem to not be able to function in that way. So the idea about free will and the human being having free will to do things, I feel it is an exaggeration and it is one of our primary illusions. I feel that we have to be kept in that illusion for a while because it gives us a kind of Black Happiness. It’s like you think you’re happy, but you’re still in a state of depression, thinking that you’re happy. As we begin to come out of that sleep, then your capacity to grasp life in a wider more panoramic field, that begins to show up, and only, I feel, as we are coming out of one state, into another maybe subtler or higher state, can we look back to evaluate the state we have been in previously. While we’re in it, it’s like, it becomes our entire world. When you are leaving it, it becomes a bubble in the infinite ocean. And I feel that some beings see that and grow tremendously from that insight. And yet others we are quick to forget and perhaps also there’s a seed of ingratitude also, that slows down our capacity to absorb Great Things while our attention is fixed on such small measures. So my feeling if we want to speak about choice, I feel the real choice, the most active alive choice, is the choice to either go with the drifting streams of our mind, or to stay as the witness of what is arising and not get caught up emotionally or to identify with the phenomena that’s only, it’s only sort of momentary or fleeting. That I think is the real power, if you want to speak about choice. Is how much are we able to stay in the observing place, which doesn’t mean that your body does not move, your body can move and do its thing, but inside, the state of the mind remains in a state of tranquility or it stays in the heart. So there’s more space. Anyone whose mind is in the heart has inherited a tremendous space. It’s like the whole universe becomes yours. If your mind is in the body and in the world, even a palace will feel claustrophobic for you."
Idk. It resonates here. Mooji got me thru some very dark times. I have learned and transcended and discovered depths of myself and others that i dont believe would be possible without his satsangs...it helped me grow up quickly. i do love him and thank him..my soul needed it and i have begun to see the importance and how blessed I am to have been somehow given this opportunity to see from the pure place
but to see from the pure place and to also transcend naiveté
which in this case may mean moving on from mooji
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 03/11/2019 12:28PM by klaklaklak.