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"[i:43f8d6ed1e][b:43f8d6ed1e]I am all that is Nature, I am that which is life[/b:43f8d6ed1e][/i:43f8d6ed1e]." - David Hawkins, [u:43f8d6ed1e]Dialogues On Consciousness and Spirituality[/u:43f8d6ed1e], page 33

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[b:43f8d6ed1e]Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader.[/b:43f8d6ed1e]

[b:43f8d6ed1e]1. Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.[/b:43f8d6ed1e]

Hawkins is the sole measure of truth in the universe. People never agree on calibrations when they do it, and must depend on him for the "truth". There is no accountability; there is no group or leader to watch over him, he believes he is God. A direct pipeline to truth with no accountability, if not a cult today will be one tomorrow, as a cult expert friend tells me.

[b:43f8d6ed1e]2. No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry.[/b:43f8d6ed1e]

Absolutely. His "truth" is the only "truth". To even question AK, or report that legitimate double-blind studies have shown that AK is a pseudoscience that is "not more useful than random guessing" will get a calibration of "below 200" ("Dispensing of Existence" on the Lifton criteria).

[b:43f8d6ed1e]3. No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement. [/b:43f8d6ed1e]

None that I know of. It would be interesting for Rick Ross or someone else to request one, as "4truth" indicated. I just know that one could spend thousands of dollars through his website alone, forgetting about his live lectures (and possible travel expenses). Yet he claims that he does not charge money for his teaching. Very hard to believe. There are ways of making all of his teachings available for free if he really wanted to. It appears that is not his desire.

[b:43f8d6ed1e]4. Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions. [/b:43f8d6ed1e]

Totally. Over three quarters of the planet's population are "below 200", meaning without integrity and so on. Not only people, but certain objects, thoughts, words, etc. ad infinitum. It creates a wacky sensibility and certain paranoia within a follower.

[b:43f8d6ed1e]5. There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil. [/b:43f8d6ed1e]

Well, of course. Hawkins has the absolute, 100% scientific and spiritual truth. He is God. His work calibrates higher than the Bible and every genius of history. Why would you want to leave? Clearly a person is at a lower level of consciousness if not following Hawkins. Get below 200, which is pretty easy to do (even stating AK has been shown to be a pseudoscience gets you this ranking), and Hawkinazis (humor, no offense) are not supposed to speak with you. Forget that Christ was friends with prostitutes and every other "low life" of his day! People and things below "200" make your muscles go weak. Wayne Dyer says, "Even the heart is a muscle". Ergo, you can die if you do not follow the teachings of Hawkins.

[b:43f8d6ed1e]6. Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances. [/b:43f8d6ed1e]

This is true as far as a similar pattern of grievances. Often it is about Hawkins being very conservative and so on. As far as abuse, I've not heard from enough former members to establish a pattern. Of course this would classify as mental and spiritual, rather than physical, abuse (unless someone else knows something to the contrary). One is meant to give up their identity for Hawkins' opinions of the universe. Clearly this is unhealthy, especially after finding out that Hawkins is a fraud (which he is, from a scientific perspective, as has been clearly demonstrated repeatedly).

[b:43f8d6ed1e]7. There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader. [/b:43f8d6ed1e]

Yes, and it is growing. His first spiritual book was only published in 1995, so more time is needed for more people to come forward. But already several cult experts are aware of him and there should be information online from at least one or two of them online shortly. There are no books, news articles or television programs that I am aware of to date.

[b:43f8d6ed1e]8. Followers feel they can never be "good enough".[/b:43f8d6ed1e]

Absolutely. One is always at a "low" level of consciousness. While the real God loves us unconditionally, clearly one is never "good enough" in Hawkins' system. Even "4truth" stated as much, though he would not attribute Hawkins' system to Hawkins apparently.

[b:43f8d6ed1e]9. The group/leader is always right.[/b:43f8d6ed1e]

Absolutely. No one is ever right compared to Hawkins. He is the master of the universe, and knows everything in it. Your ideas and opinions are "vanity" (nice, eh?). His ideas and opinions are absolute (psuedo)scientific "truth".

[b:43f8d6ed1e]10. The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible. [/b:43f8d6ed1e]

Absolutely. Hawkins knows everything through AK. AK is put above your own truth, experience, heart, rational thought, etc. It is his world that he created, and he is the master of it. Step in his way or out of line, and he and/or his followers will "dispense existence" and label you below 200.


[b:43f8d6ed1e]Ten warning signs regarding people involved in/with a potentially unsafe group/leader.[/b:43f8d6ed1e]

[b:43f8d6ed1e]1. Extreme obsessiveness regarding the group/leader resulting in the exclusion of almost every practical consideration. [/b:43f8d6ed1e]

Of course. Very clearly, just reading "4Truth" and "TossedSalad"'s responses. Did they ever mention one critical fact regarding Hawkins?

[b:43f8d6ed1e]2. Individual identity, the group, the leader and/or God as distinct and separate categories of existence become increasingly blurred. Instead, in the follower's mind these identities become substantially and increasingly fused--as that person's involvement with the group/leader continues and deepens. [/b:43f8d6ed1e]

Of course. Is this not obvious in simply reading some of the responses here?

[b:43f8d6ed1e]3. Whenever the group/leader is criticized or questioned it is characterized as "persecution".[/b:43f8d6ed1e]

Of course. Dr. Robert Todd Carroll, a philosophy professor, was labeled "160" by Hawkins for thinking rationally and scientifically. See Hawkins' response here: [en.wikipedia.org]

[b:43f8d6ed1e]4. Uncharacteristically stilted and seemingly programmed conversation and mannerisms, cloning of the group/leader in personal behavior.[/b:43f8d6ed1e]

Totally. Hawkinazis literally start to act like Hawkins. I discussed this more in private email with "J"/TossedSalad. For example, 4Truth's "India" example is paraphrasing Hawkins. Hawkinazis start to say "frankly" and "naive" a lot, like Hawkins does. It is very odd and spooky. If you are at all familiar with Hawkins, listen to him and then listen to a follower. It's weird. See TossedSalad's first post, where we are to "discern" (another big Hawkins word) "throwing the baby out with the bathwater", a direct quote from Hawkins' response to Dr. Carroll. See also the Hawkinazi who Dr. Carroll quoted in his newsletter:

[skepdic.com]

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Boy did you ever blow it. Hawkins is an MD and has a PhD [from CPU]. Look it up and get it right this time. I have personally read his doctoral thesis [from CPU, "Muscle Strength and Emotionally Charged Stimuli" (later titled "Qualitative and Quantitative Analysis and Calibrations of the Level of Human Consciousness"). Another wonderful "doctoral thesis" from CPU was written in Spanish, and the author received a Ph.D. though the four faculty could not speak the language! [www.ptreyeslight.com] ], have you?

You had better check out David R Hawkins and maybe read one of his books before you say another word...

What would be your motive for discrediting Dr Hawkins in the first place? and without first-hand knowledge of the premise upon which his conclusions are based? Read Power vs. Force and then discredit him if you can.

One thing is certain in this life and that is that there is a consequence to every act. What you do to try and discredit such a man as Dr. Hawkins will ultimately create the same reflection in your own reality -- count on it. That's the way consciousness and energy operate. The universe is just and that's the way the universe is and you can't change it so try and be a little more responsible and contemplative about what you disseminate to the general public...

He questions Dr. Carroll's "motive" (AK is supposed to be able to reveal a person's motives!), notes that there is a "consequence to every act" (threat?); the highlight sentence, "The universe is just and that's the way the universe is..." is followed by a reminder to the philosophy professor to be "responsible" and "contemplative", another big Hawkins emphasis.

[b:43f8d6ed1e]5. Dependency upon the group/leader for problem solving, solutions, and definitions without meaningful reflective thought. A seeming inability to think independently or analyze situations without group/leader involvement. [/b:43f8d6ed1e]

Absolutely. Every Hawkinazi ultimately must depend on Hawkins for his calibrations of "truth". He is the absolute authority with no accountability.

[b:43f8d6ed1e]6. Hyperactivity centered on the group/leader agenda, which seems to supercede any personal goals or individual interests.[/b:43f8d6ed1e]

Absolutely. One young man I am aware of was managing a rap group, before he felt that this was negative and he had to give it up to "rise in consciousness" or whatever. He gave up on his former passion, for Hawkins (and spent much money to go see him speak in Sedona, so he could get "blissed out").

[b:43f8d6ed1e]7. A dramatic loss of spontaneity and sense of humor. [/b:43f8d6ed1e]

Perhaps spontaneity, but a key aspect of Hawkins' teaching is humor. He laughs all the time. One cult expert that I spoke with found that he laughed inappropriately, and thought him to be virtually senile. The expert said that Hawkins reminded him of an old man who wears diapers and is kind of out of control of himself and out of touch with reality.

[b:43f8d6ed1e]8. Increasing isolation from family and old friends unless they demonstrate an interest in the group/leader. [/b:43f8d6ed1e]

4truth said as much. He had to get rid of the negative friends to reinforce the positive. I am reminded of several excellent "South Park" episodes...The young man I mentioned earlier gave up managing a rap group he loved.

[b:43f8d6ed1e]9. Anything the group/leader does can be justified no matter how harsh or harmful.[/b:43f8d6ed1e]

Totally. When Hawkins is rude, arrogant, ignorant, and so on, it is justified in some way, whereas everyone else is supposed to be "unconditionally loving"; clearly Hawkins himself is not. But he is way beyond a mere "540" (unconditional love), where less than 1% of the population is -- he is enlightened, so he can do basically anything I guess, and we just do not understand it because is so far beyond us...

[b:43f8d6ed1e]10. Former followers are at best-considered negative or worse evil and under bad influences. They can not be trusted and personal contact is avoided. [/b:43f8d6ed1e]

Anyone below 200 is to be avoided. In one book, Hawkins himself gives an example of a friendly man who would come around to see Hawkins. But, then the man became annoying. Uh-oh, time to calibrate -- pull out Susan's (his wife) arm! Ah Hah! The man had 2 consciousnesses! One was friendly, in the 300's. The other though, was below 200. Hawkins asked him to not come around any more. Buddha walked with a murderer, Christ was friends with prostitutes, but Hawkins, with AK in hand (pun intended) knows better!


[b:43f8d6ed1e]Ten signs of a safe group/leader.[/b:43f8d6ed1e]

[b:43f8d6ed1e]1. A safe group/leader will answer your questions without becoming judgmental and punitive. [/b:43f8d6ed1e]

Hawkins is not like this obviously.

[b:43f8d6ed1e]2. A safe group/leader will disclose information such as finances and often offer an independently audited financial statement regarding budget and expenses. Safe groups and leaders will tell you more than you want to know. [/b:43f8d6ed1e]

Hawkins stated way less than should have been known, namely regarding the source of his Ph.D., as one example, or that AK is considered pseudoscience by mainstream science and has been shown to be false. No one as far as I know has access to his financial records. 4truth, why don't you try to get them for us? Or Rick Ross?

[b:43f8d6ed1e]3. A safe group/leader is often democratic, sharing decision making and encouraging accountability and oversight.[/b:43f8d6ed1e]

Of course not. Hawkins is the leader of the universe. There is no one above him. I suppose a person could claim God is above him, but Hawkins thinks he is God.

[b:43f8d6ed1e]4. A safe group/leader may have disgruntled former followers, but will not vilify, excommunicate and forbid others from associating with them. [/b:43f8d6ed1e]

Hawkins states that even negative reports on AK (what I am writing right now) calibrates below 200. This is similar to being condemned to hell, or being excommunicated. Anyone below 200 must be avoided.

[b:43f8d6ed1e]5. A safe group/leader will not have a paper trail of overwhelmingly negative records, books, articles and statements about them.[/b:43f8d6ed1e]

More is on the way, but much has been stated already.

[b:43f8d6ed1e]6. A safe group/leader will encourage family communication, community interaction and existing friendships and not feel threatened. [/b:43f8d6ed1e]

Not necessarily existing friendships, or even family I would presume. The guiding message is that anything below 200 makes one go weak and should be avoided.

[b:43f8d6ed1e]7. A safe group/leader will recognize reasonable boundaries and limitations when dealing with others. [/b:43f8d6ed1e]

Hawkins believes he is God and that AK is absolutely true. He has no limitations.

[b:43f8d6ed1e]8. A safe group/leader will encourage critical thinking, individual autonomy and feelings of self-esteem. [/b:43f8d6ed1e]

Hawkins clearly does not fit. Critical thinking (e.g., as with Dr. Carroll) gets you a negative calibration. Individual autonomy is assumed (he teaches free will), but only to the degree that you are aligned with what he says. That is, you are free -- now go be nice and kind, etc. One is never "good enough" and so of course self-esteem is not fostered.

[b:43f8d6ed1e]9. A safe group/leader will admit failings and mistakes and accept constructive criticism and advice.[/b:43f8d6ed1e]

Clearly Hawkins has made mistakes. Can a Hawkins follower provide an example of him publicly recognizing his errors?

I can think of an example where he did not. The thought of Hitler is always supposed to make a person's arm go weak. One time to demonstrate this "absolute truth", Hawkins pressed on a person's arm on stage at lecture-performance. The arm did not go weak when the subject thought of Hitler. What did Hawkins do in response to his absolute truth clearly being refuted before everyone's eyes? He calibrated more and determined that Hitler, in his new incarnation (!), is now above 200!!! Hitler now makes people's arms "go strong"!!!

[b:43f8d6ed1e]10. A safe group/leader will not be the only source of knowledge and learning excluding everyone else, but value dialogue and the free exchange of ideas. [/b:43f8d6ed1e]

There is no free exchange of ideas. Remember, everyone but Hawkins' ideas are "vanity". Forget that AK itself is opinion and vanity, because when Hawkins presses on his wife's arm, it says only everyone else's opinions are vanity.

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[b:43f8d6ed1e][i:43f8d6ed1e]Don't be naïve, develop a good BS Detector. You can protect yourself from unsafe groups and leaders by developing a good BS detector. Check things out, know the facts and examine the evidence. A safe group will be patient with your decision making process. If a group or leader grows angry and anxious just because you want to make an informed and careful decision before joining; beware. [/i:43f8d6ed1e][/b:43f8d6ed1e] -- Rick Ross

Note that for 4truth, these teachers are all on the same level: The Buddha, Jesus, Muhammad, the Vedas (Hindu), Swami Vivekananda and Sri Ramakrishna, Zoroaster and Dr. Hawkins.

"The Doc says that ALL Truth is the same," yet his AK system contradicts this. The Buddha telling people to be a lamp unto themselves also contradicts Hawkins' AK system -- people depend on him alone for the final absolute truth (no one else's calibrations carry the same weight -- right, 4truth?).

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I'm sure not everone accepted the teachers or teachings from thousands of years ago either.

This misses the point. Please read above.

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But they seem to all be saying the same thing.

None of the teachers you listed besides Hawkins uses AK, has a Ph.D. from a diploma mill, a suspect knighthood, relied on vanity articles, demonstrated a clear ignorance of mathematics, physics, science while simultaneously claiming every sentence to be absolutely true, and so on. Please consider our real concerns.

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Hawkins is not the ONLY way, but he a modern way and speaks to the modern mind.

Hawkins is the only way when it comes to his entire AK system. You may reply that others ("over 200", i.e., an ad hoc hypothesis [ [skepdic.com] ] to rescue the pseudoscience [ [en.wikipedia.org] ] from refutation [ [en.wikipedia.org] ]) can use AK, but I am certain that you will admit that no calibrations carry as much weight (if any) as Hawkins'. If you are even more honest, you will admit that people's calibrations constantly contradict one another. Even more honest and you will admit to the times that you've notice Hawkins contradict is own "absolute" system. Even more honest you will admit that AK does not work.

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Just find that which resonates with you and then you will know that you have found the right teacher (for you).

4truth, what if I want to follow Sai Baba? What if he "resonates" for me. Yet, he is a pedophile. He makes cracker jack toys and rings appear, with parlor tricks and says it is divine. Is it okay to follow him?

What if I want to follow a teacher who calibrates below 200 per Hawkins, even though there is no evidence, but she resonates with me? Is it okay to follow her? Or would you not warn me, out of kindness, that Hawkins has calibrated her below 200?

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by what standards is a teacher right or wrong for a person?

There are objective criteria that have applied here. How do you personally decide if a teacher is "right or wrong for a person"?

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I can tell you that my experience of Hawkins is not of a Cult leader.

How do define "cult leader"? Does it fit the understanding that is being applied here?

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This is a relationship with the Holy Spirit and that is what he points to.

How do you define "Holy Spirit"? How does Hawkins point to it? Doesn't AK contradict this relationship? That is, when your heart says one thing, and Hawkins' AK says another -- what comes first for you? For others?

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In fact, he urges one to go within and ask God

I have seen him rely on AK and tell others to do the same.

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there is absolutely no control anywhere

There is mind control. ( [www.freedomofmind.com] )

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I can tell you that I am not in a cult and that I have never felt so free in my life!

I can tell you that virtually every cult member says the same thing. I am glad you are happy, though.

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I am assuming becasue you run this forum that you are naturally interested in having factual information that you can share with the public and it seems that the facts for at least your Hawkins portion, as I have not read much of anything else here, are not actually factual but based on your perception as well and that of others.

1) Rick Ross made no comment regarding Hawkins, but responded about "an objective measurement of a potentially unsafe leader or group," which could be considered regarding any leader or group.
2) Please provide evidence for your unsubstantiated claim that, "it seems that the facts for at least your Hawkins portion...are not actually factual but based on...perception..."

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It would seem that in order to have all the facts, that one would need to take into consideration that one might open up to see ALL sides of this issue.

Interesting. Please provide your side regarding Hawkins' degree coming from a diploma mill, and so on. How is this "perception" versus fact? And please also provide your "side" regarding why Hawkins never notes (to this day) that he received his Ph.D. from CPU, as every other author notes. Please do this for all of our real concerns, rather than the straw men that Hawkinazis set up.

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at least I have walked in these shoes to be able to determine for myself. I am not talking about something or someone I do not know.

I do know. I've also studied Hawkins, read all of his books, seen him live and on video, etc. I've also walked in these shoes. I can respond. Further, Ross and other cult experts are aware of how cults operate, and can certainly comment from their expertise without ever having been in a specific group themselves.

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Before I address your list, I will just say that subjective experience is all that we have...right?

Certainly not. Again, we are applying objective criteria here, not, "Oooh I feel happy when Hawkins tells me what to think."

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And that subjectively, I have observed that what Hawkins is saying is right-on when he speaks about spiritual states.

"Mystical Manipulation: Initiated from above, it seeks to provoke specific patterns of behavior and emotion in such a way that these will appear to have arisen spontaneously..."
[www.culteducation.com]

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Again, not defending Hawkins here and I am not talking about things in the linear. I am talking about the non-linear spiritual awakenings that happen...

A big thing for Hawkins is to talk about the "linear" and the "nonlinear". Spiritually of course this is a false dilemma; e.g., "emptiness is form; form is emptiness" and "Nirvana and samsara are one" - the Buddha.

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I'm just telling you that when the spiritual world begins to open up and your teacher has pointed to the sights and you begin to see that you are experiencing that which he has shared due to being kind and loving, forgiving, radically honest...

Wow, I didn’t realize there are different types of “honest”. ((LOL)) Are you seriously claiming that Hawkins is not only honest, but [i:43f8d6ed1e]radically[/i:43f8d6ed1e] honest? Wow. I guess that “radically” part needs to be added when people lie. Have you actually read what has been posted here? Do you not have any concerns??? And you don’t think you are in a mind control cult? What if what has been written here were written about someone else, not your teacher? Then would it concern you, maybe just a teeny-weeny, itsy bitsy bit?

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...and in deep prayer with God...

Does Hawkins have a direct pipeline?

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he doesn't even know my name.

Wait a second – he doesn’t even know your name? How can he be “God” then? Even Santa Claus knows your name! It doesn’t sound like he’s “omniscient” to me! Couldn’t he magically ask his wife’s outstretched arm your name? That would be something! Then he could do it in front of James Randi, win $1 million and do something worthwhile like feed the hungry, or offer his “gifts” from God for free instead of thousands of dollars for all of his “gifts” on his website, not to mention his lectures.

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There is no fear of the future and no evil conspiracies coming from the mouth Hawkins.

What about "astrals" and being tempted to control worlds by Lucifer?

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LIke is everyone who wants to be a pro-golfer a Tiger-wood's cult member?

No. This is a straw man.

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There are no rules or dictates or "goods" or "bads".

Above 200, below 200, only associate with people above 200, etc.

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It's like going to a medical doctor over and over again for a scraped knee until one realizes that one has their own box of band aids in the cabinet.

So why study him at all, if you already have the band aids?

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This is not a fact [i:43f8d6ed1e]for me[/i:43f8d6ed1e].

We are using objective, not subjective, criteria.

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He has never indicated an us vs. them philosophy or mentality

Above 200, below 200, skeptics vs. spiritual, etc.

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I go there to learn about disecting mind/ego as I know he has done it.

How do you know?

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we do live in a free speech country

Hawkins is opposed to free speech. AK "revealed" most of it is lies. So he would prefer not to have free speech apparently.

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and I also have been urged to go within and ask the Holy Spirit for guidance as well.

I've never heard this. Isn't AK more important?

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and the Kingdom of God is found within and no where else, not even in one's teacher of choice.

One must rely on Hawkins with AK for the ultimate truth of his system.

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think about how Seinfeld has influenced the world with "Seinfeldisms"....I will personally purchase the $125 ticket for you [to see Hawkins]...

I’m supposed to see Jerry Seinfeld live soon. I’m sure it will at least be much more enlightening than a Hawkins lecture (and cheaper, imagine that!). Maybe you would like to purchase my enlightening Seinfeld ticket for me, 4truth?

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[i:43f8d6ed1e]I'm astounded by people who want to 'know' the universe when it's hard enough to find your way around Chinatown.[/i:43f8d6ed1e] -Woody Allen

Best wishes to you.

Radically yours,

Phoenix

I picked up the book "I" by David Hawkings a couple weeks ago and it actually only calibrates at 470 - even lower than 'The Power of Now', which calibrates at 620.

I just wrote a new song called 'Drunk On A Monday Night', which totally rocks and calibrates at 999.99. It's on myspace and eveyone should check it out when they get a chance.

This is a response to the following:

"Assuming that he only sold ten books the first week, in just ten weeks sales would have far exceeded the entire population of earth. I presume sales did not keep up at this rate for long... "

I need some clarification here because here's what I get:

Week 1 = 10 books
Week 2 = 11 books
Week 3 = 12.1 books
Week 4 = 13.31 books
Week 5 = 14.641 books
Week 6 = 16.1051 books
Week 7 = 17.71561 books
Week 8 = 19.487171 books
Week 9 = 21.4358881 books
Week 10 = 23.57947691 books

Which gives a grand total of 163.37424601 books. As far as I can determine this would be a 10% increase from each preceding week of production. Perhaps my figures are off.

I am interested in finding a source that is written or verifiable that Hubbard and Scientology have been ascertained by Hawkins.

Well, my personal background is in philosophy, not mathematics, obviously. Thanks for pointing that out. I used exponents rather than percentages. Those numbers seem to much more accurately reflect his sales.

However...this is a great point of illustration. You've pointed out an obvious error, and I thank you for that and readily admit it.

Hawkins, however, will continue to make the same claims over and over again, even after they have been shown to be incorrect (for example, he still states that AK gets generally universal results, and refers to his exponential scale incorrectly as "logarithmic".)

Now imagine that after being proved wrong a person appeals to the absolute "science" AK over logic, reason and mathematical accuracy. It is a bit like Stephen Colbert's "Truthiness". [en.wikipedia.org] (“Truthiness is a satirical term coined by Stephen Colbert in reference to the quality by which a person claims to know something intuitively, instinctively, or "from the gut" without regard to evidence, logic, intellectual examination, or actual facts.”)

Yes, mathematically you are correct. However, Truthiness, my wife's arm, and my absolute "science" say that my mathematics are correct. Therefore, I am correct, and further, you are at a lower level of consciousness for not just accepting everything I say!

As my background is in philosophy, Hawkins’ background is in psychiatry, not mathematics, physics, philosophy, etc.

Hawkins’ claims are a bit like this:

Hawkins: 1+1=3
Observer: 1+1=2
Hawkins: I am absolutely right, "God", omniscient, and my "science" and wife's arm says I am right and you are below 200 for even questioning me and you will have "negative karma" for not agreeing with my "higher truth"...1+1=3!
Observer:…but, 1+1=2
Hawkins: Ego! 160!

(P.S. Regarding Scientology and Hubbard, try the June 2003 Hawkins' video [www.veritaspub.com] $60. Also, the groups listed on the first page have references available, try them.)

With so many of these new age types believing they are god... Ever wonder what would happen if they were all in the same room together?

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With so many of these new age types believing they are god... Ever wonder what would happen if they were all in the same room together?

A friend who is a psychology professor told me this story once. He was visiting a psychiatric hospital and overheard the following conversation between patients:

[b:44cbb51d60]Patient A[/b:44cbb51d60]: "Hello, I'm Jesus Christ."

[i:44cbb51d60]Patient B[/i:44cbb51d60]: "No, you're not; I am Jesus Christ."

[b:44cbb51d60]Patient A[/b:44cbb51d60]: "No, I am Jesus Christ."

[i:44cbb51d60]Patient B[/i:44cbb51d60]: "I am sorry, but it is I who am Jesus Christ."

[b:44cbb51d60]Patient A[/b:44cbb51d60]: "Alright, just how do you know that you are Jesus Christ and I am not?"

[i:44cbb51d60]Patient B[/i:44cbb51d60]: "God told me so."

[u:44cbb51d60]Patient C[/u:44cbb51d60]: "No, I didn't!"

:lol:

Hawkins states on his web site:

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[i:0af0a792dd]Just as Einstein’s Theory of Relativity was the hallmark of scientific discovery, Dr. David R. Hawkins’ discoveries are the E=mc2 of human consciousness research and spirituality. [/i:0af0a792dd] [www.davidhawkins.info]

And at Wikipedia:

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My personal concern has to do with alignment with the highest good which is served by verifiable [i.e., with AK] integrity…That all discoveries have had their detractors is, of course, a valid fact, but their opinions did not disprove Galileo, Einstein, or Jonas Salk. - Hawkins [en.wikipedia.org]

I think this quotation from Dr. Michael Shermer is an appropriate response:

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[i:0af0a792dd]Positive skepticism…involves much more than the negative disposal of false claims. In fact, the word “skeptic” comes from the Greek skeptikos, for “thoughtful.” According to the Oxford English Dictionary, “skeptical” has also been used to mean “inquiring,” “reflective,” and, with variations in the ancient Greek, “watchman” or “mark to aim at.”…Positive skepticism is a way of thinking that leads to deeper understanding, and it is a vital tool in the science kits of practicing scientists…there is more than one way to be spiritual in this world…spirituality is the quest to know the place of our spirit within the deep time of evolution and the deep space of the cosmos… In skepticism we have two canonical sayings: “[b:0af0a792dd]Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence[/b:0af0a792dd]” and “Keep an open mind, but not so open that your brains fall out.”

The skeptical fences are there for a reason — to keep the borderlands of science from shading too far into pseudoscience, non-science, and nonsense. For every Copernicus, Newton, and Einstein, there were a thousand cons, cranks, and quacks with their revolutionary theories that turned out to be flummery and flapdoodle.[/i:0af0a792dd] - Dr. Michael Shermer [www.skeptic.com]

Hawkins' site also states:

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Does Dr. Hawkins supervise Web sites or study groups?

People have had good success finding study groups through: www.groups.yahoo.com/group/drhawkinsgroup . However, please note that each study group is autonomous and independent. None is “connected with,” “supervised by,” or “authorized by” Dr. Hawkins—that is, no group is “special” or “favored.” This is in accord with the style of the very successful “12-step” or “A Course in Miracles” groups. Each group elects or rotates facilitators or group chairpersons and is self-sustaining. As with AA, Al-Anon, Miracles groups, etc., there are no financial charges or fees nor is any group facilitator authorized to charge for advice, calibrations, etc.

There are also legalities involved in that to imply that Dr. Hawkins is somehow responsible or supervising the groups would enable people to infer legal liability, which is unwise in today's litigious society in which doctors in general are in the crosshairs. That is also the structure of the “Attitudinal Healing” as well as all the other self-help groups including Al-Anon, Recovery, etc.

The web site referenced is run by Hawkins' friend and next door neighbor in Sedona, Arizona, Lou Fournier Marzeles (see [www.thepromiseofpurpose.com] ).

A former follower of Hawkins tried to post to this group regarding Hawkins' Ph.D. being from the diploma mill Columbia Pacific University. Here is what Lou wrote (which was later provided to a cult expert) to the then-fellow Hawkins follower, dated June 11, 2005:

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I've forwarded the information you sent in your last message to the office for Dr. Hawkins' consideration before deciding whether or not to post it. A lot of people have known about this for some time. I'm not sure what your point with it is -- are you looking to discredit him? And what does it have to do with the validity of his information? John Gray ("Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus") also got his PhD from the same place; does that discount eveything he's had to say? Lou

In brief, Hawkins' site states that he is not connected with any study group; yet, here is evidence that Hawkins was consulted directly before posting a message to the group regarding Hawkins' PhD source. The message was never posted, and the then-follower was banned from the group.

Another email (provided to a cult expert) from Mr. Marzeles, dated October 5, 2004, states:

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I know that a moderated group can feel constricting, and God knows I've received some very angry comments about it. I've passed those on to Dr. Hawkins, just to get a sense from him about whether what I was doing was appropriate or not, and he's been quite supportive. An unmoderated group does allow people to speak as freely as they wish, and there is of course value in that. I started this group shortly before I moved here to Sedona, next door to Dr. Hawkins, and at that time there were only two small groups (counting mine) related to his work. In the beginning, he wanted to see this group -- actually, *any* group, but this one in particular -- provide accurate and focused messages and representation of his work. While today for legal reasons he doesn't associate himself specifically with any discussion group, I've maintained that tradition. And in regard to admitting people to the group, I've never denied permission to anyone who wanted to join.

While most groups do seem to be unmoderated, there are some related to spiritual discussion that *are* moderated, and much more strictly than this one. I try to provide as broad a range as possible for messages. But its focus is maintained in an effort to ensure that people get the most out of what Dr. Hawkins teaches, and he teaches a very focused path...Lou

One follower who is very close to Hawkins asked to remain anonymous when he personally commented on AK not working as Hawkins described (again, this email was provided to a cult expert), dated February 3, 2005:

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I'll ask you to keep this confidential for the moment, though you're welcome to share what I say without quoting me: Firstly, Dr. Hawkins may very well have overspoken when he made claims about being [able] to scientifically verify kinesiology...He often misspeaks about "facts," not getting dates or names right. I think that's partly because of the way his "mind" (such as it is) works now...

"Gloria in Excelsis Deo",
Phoenix

The following are two prayers of the Doc's. These seem to capture the essence of what Dr. Hawkins teaches and is pointing to. These are the point and while everything else can be debated (if that is one's choice), the essence of his teachings stand there, - - stark naked. To miss the point would be perhaps the greatest loss of one's spiritual endeavor by any teacher or teaching.



I surrender all to you oh Lord,
I surrender my existance,
and I pray to be your servant,
that I may fulfill divine potential for your glory,.
Oh Lord I pray that you bring forth to my awareness
that which is not aligned to truth.
Holy Spirit, give me a miracle in understanding what blocks me
from God's love and peace.
-Amen

Dear God, On this day I ask to be a servant of the Lord,
a vehicle of divine love
and a channel of God's will.
I ask for direction and divine assistance
and I surrender all personal will through my devotion.
I dedicate my life to the service of God.
I choose love and peace above all other options.
I commit to the goal of unconditional love and compassion
for all of life in all of its expressions and I surrender all judgement to God.
-Amen
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Hawkins states on his web site:

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Became a knight of the Sovereign Order of the Hospitaliers of St. John of Jerusalem, which was founded in 1077. This ceremony was officiated by Prince Waldemar of Denmark at the San Anselmo Theological Seminary in 1995.

I did some research regarding Hawkins' claimed knighthood by contacting the San Francisco Theological Seminary (what Hawkins incorrectly called, "the San Anselmo Theological Seminary") in San Anselmo, California; the Royal Danish Embassy in Washington, D.C.; and the Danish Royal House in Denmark.

I discovered that an event did happen in 1995 at the San Francisco Theological Seminary (SFTS), but that it was not sponsored by SFTS; the facilities were rented out.

The most relevant reply so far follows:

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[b:194e38b79c]Thank you for your e-mail.

The Sovereign Order of the Hospitaliers of St. John of Jerusalem is not a Danish Order and I can not give you any information of it.

Prince Valdemar of Denmark was born in 1858 and died in 1939.

Yours Sincerely

Bjarne E. Pedersen
Deputy Private Secretary to Her Majesty the Queen of Denmark [/b:194e38b79c]

SpiritualTeachers.org ( [www.spiritualteachers.org] ) wrote a review of Hawkins on December 16, 2005, and gave him a "one star" rating ("One Star - Not Recommended - Teachers offering rehashed materials, a teaching other than a path to Truth, and a few outright frauds.").

Here is the review: [www.spiritualteachers.org]

See how other teachers rated: [www.spiritualteachers.org]

The review of Hawkins stated jokingly, "Perhaps I'm at some moronic level of consciousness....", after criticizing Hawkins.

I just noticed that they added this reader commentary to their homepage on August 3, 2006. ((LOL)):

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8/3/06: Reader commentary!

"You obviously are at a moronic level of conciousness to put down Dr. Hawkin's work. Kineseology works exquisitely if you truly have a high level of conciousness...that being well over one of pride, intellectual vanity, and intellectuality. Your overall site ranks 119 on Dr. Hawkins scale of levels of conciousness.
Truly,
Donna"

Yep, only 119 folks. Dare you read further?

[i:e9cd687bc7]Ad hominem[/i:e9cd687bc7] and [i:e9cd687bc7]ad hoc hypothesis[/i:e9cd687bc7].

Andrew P. stated:

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The paradigm that Hawkins is promoting is not as healthy as it seems, and could even be a huge step-back in our spiritual development. (Part of the reason nobody criticises his work may well be fear of judgment — criticism may get them calibrated below 200.) [www.energygrid.com]

Indeed.