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hismercy
The building that the ROC is now located in was built as a dept. store called "Carousel". I've lived in Richmond all my life (not that you haven't) and I only add that info. to say how that strip originally developed.
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FreeAtLast
Rocgurl,
I really can appreciate where you are in terms of supporting your church leaders. I was there. I fiercely/blindly supported my leadership. I did use the same logic... "nobody's perfect" and "humans by their nature are sinful and faulty" (in fact, oddly those types of phrases were repeated often by the leaders in our chuch... it's a subliminal way of planting those concepts in the minds of the followers)
To address just one single of the MANY sins charged against the pastor of ROC I'm going to remind you about how he cheated on his wife with a then 15 year old Sammy B and ran off with her. (he was 21 at the time) Then, 6 years later in Texas he slept with a 12 year old girl and a 14 year old girl (according to a couple of different people's accounts who were there).
SetFreefromTheROC mentioned how true repentance meant recognizing and admitting one's sins and then turning from their ways. Has Geronimo EVER acknowledged his sins against his then wife Stacee and against the then minors Sammy B and the two seriously underage sisters? (some people might say he doesn't need to publicly acknowledge his sins. But as a pastor, leader of people in a church, and a public figure he IS obligated to publicly acknowledge his sins and seek not only God's forgiveness but the forgiveness of the people he is leading as an example of godliness. We have many examples of this by fellow pastors who have fallen).
The sins of sleeping with underage girls are also ones that will leave lasting effects on the young girls. More so because there is an added level of trust because he represented a leader in a church and a representative of God. Even I feel the lasting effects of the betrayal of my church leaders in the form of lack of trust of people, people in leadership and churches as institutes. Imagine if you were molested (hello, it's the legal definition of sleeping with a minor) by someone you trusted as your church leader and as God's representative. Thus, part of his repentance would be to seek out the girls and their families to ask for forgiveness. They may never be mentally able to do it, but it would be his duty to ask and apologize).
I'm curious..... what line must your church leadership cross before you start to question their godliness?
My hope for you is that you are not negatively affected and your trust in churches, or people, are affected in the long run.Quote
rocgurl
Everyone screws up! I thought it wasnt our place to judge?!
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FreeAtLast
Rocgurl,
I really can appreciate where you are in terms of supporting your church leaders. I was there. I fiercely/blindly supported my leadership. I did use the same logic... "nobody's perfect" and "humans by their nature are sinful and faulty" (in fact, oddly those types of phrases were repeated often by the leaders in our chuch... it's a subliminal way of planting those concepts in the minds of the followers)
To address just one single of the MANY sins charged against the pastor of ROC I'm going to remind you about how he cheated on his wife with a then 15 year old Sammy B and ran off with her. (he was 21 at the time) Then, 6 years later in Texas he slept with a 12 year old girl and a 14 year old girl (according to a couple of different people's accounts who were there).
SetFreefromTheROC mentioned how true repentance meant recognizing and admitting one's sins and then turning from their ways. Has Geronimo EVER acknowledged his sins against his then wife Stacee and against the then minors Sammy B and the two seriously underage sisters? (some people might say he doesn't need to publicly acknowledge his sins. But as a pastor, leader of people in a church, and a public figure he IS obligated to publicly acknowledge his sins and seek not only God's forgiveness but the forgiveness of the people he is leading as an example of godliness. We have many examples of this by fellow pastors who have fallen).
The sins of sleeping with underage girls are also ones that will leave lasting effects on the young girls. More so because there is an added level of trust because he represented a leader in a church and a representative of God. Even I feel the lasting effects of the betrayal of my church leaders in the form of lack of trust of people, people in leadership and churches as institutes. Imagine if you were molested (hello, it's the legal definition of sleeping with a minor) by someone you trusted as your church leader and as God's representative. Thus, part of his repentance would be to seek out the girls and their families to ask for forgiveness. They may never be mentally able to do it, but it would be his duty to ask and apologize).
I'm curious..... what line must your church leadership cross before you start to question their godliness?
My hope for you is that you are not negatively affected and your trust in churches, or people, are affected in the long run.Quote
rocgurl
Everyone screws up! I thought it wasnt our place to judge?!
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crmanny
Wow.. Heard rumors bout this sight around town here in Texas. I debated whether to write or not. I knew of G and rseen. Never met them personally but seen them around with there family. They were pretty cool dudes. I don't know firsthand about what happened with the girls. But as you can imagine stories change and the truth gets lost. But I do know there is some truth to those allegations. I have nothing against G. It seems like he's gotta alot of haters trying to bring him down. But in the end God will be the final juge. I do have a friend that knows the girls. Maybe someone could reach out to them so they could tell the truth. I heard that NAncy and Lani (the name of the two sisters) both are married with kids and live in Orlando Florida. They doing really good supposedly. Then again it's not really no ones business of what happened.
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FreeAtLast
Rocgurl,
I really can appreciate where you are in terms of supporting your church leaders. I was there. I fiercely/blindly supported my leadership. I did use the same logic... "nobody's perfect" and "humans by their nature are sinful and faulty" (in fact, oddly those types of phrases were repeated often by the leaders in our chuch... it's a subliminal way of planting those concepts in the minds of the followers)
To address just one single of the MANY sins charged against the pastor of ROC I'm going to remind you about how he cheated on his wife with a then 15 year old Sammy B and ran off with her. (he was 21 at the time) Then, 6 years later in Texas he slept with a 12 year old girl and a 14 year old girl (according to a couple of different people's accounts who were there).
SetFreefromTheROC mentioned how true repentance meant recognizing and admitting one's sins and then turning from their ways. Has Geronimo EVER acknowledged his sins against his then wife Stacee and against the then minors Sammy B and the two seriously underage sisters? (some people might say he doesn't need to publicly acknowledge his sins. But as a pastor, leader of people in a church, and a public figure he IS obligated to publicly acknowledge his sins and seek not only God's forgiveness but the forgiveness of the people he is leading as an example of godliness. We have many examples of this by fellow pastors who have fallen).
The sins of sleeping with underage girls are also ones that will leave lasting effects on the young girls. More so because there is an added level of trust because he represented a leader in a church and a representative of God. Even I feel the lasting effects of the betrayal of my church leaders in the form of lack of trust of people, people in leadership and churches as institutes. Imagine if you were molested (hello, it's the legal definition of sleeping with a minor) by someone you trusted as your church leader and as God's representative. Thus, part of his repentance would be to seek out the girls and their families to ask for forgiveness. They may never be mentally able to do it, but it would be his duty to ask and apologize).
I'm curious..... what line must your church leadership cross before you start to question their godliness?
My hope for you is that you are not negatively affected and your trust in churches, or people, are affected in the long run.Quote
rocgurl
Everyone screws up! I thought it wasnt our place to judge?!
Sammy was 14 when they hooked up. This post was well and truthfully stated. God Bless.
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FreeAtLast
Rocgurl,
I really can appreciate where you are in terms of supporting your church leaders. I was there. I fiercely/blindly supported my leadership. I did use the same logic... "nobody's perfect" and "humans by their nature are sinful and faulty" (in fact, oddly those types of phrases were repeated often by the leaders in our chuch... it's a subliminal way of planting those concepts in the minds of the followers)
To address just one single of the MANY sins charged against the pastor of ROC I'm going to remind you about how he cheated on his wife with a then 15 year old Sammy B and ran off with her. (he was 21 at the time) Then, 6 years later in Texas he slept with a 12 year old girl and a 14 year old girl (according to a couple of different people's accounts who were there).
SetFreefromTheROC mentioned how true repentance meant recognizing and admitting one's sins and then turning from their ways. Has Geronimo EVER acknowledged his sins against his then wife Stacee and against the then minors Sammy B and the two seriously underage sisters? (some people might say he doesn't need to publicly acknowledge his sins. But as a pastor, leader of people in a church, and a public figure he IS obligated to publicly acknowledge his sins and seek not only God's forgiveness but the forgiveness of the people he is leading as an example of godliness. We have many examples of this by fellow pastors who have fallen).
The sins of sleeping with underage girls are also ones that will leave lasting effects on the young girls. More so because there is an added level of trust because he represented a leader in a church and a representative of God. Even I feel the lasting effects of the betrayal of my church leaders in the form of lack of trust of people, people in leadership and churches as institutes. Imagine if you were molested (hello, it's the legal definition of sleeping with a minor) by someone you trusted as your church leader and as God's representative. Thus, part of his repentance would be to seek out the girls and their families to ask for forgiveness. They may never be mentally able to do it, but it would be his duty to ask and apologize).
I'm curious..... what line must your church leadership cross before you start to question their godliness?
My hope for you is that you are not negatively affected and your trust in churches, or people, are affected in the long run.Quote
rocgurl
Everyone screws up! I thought it wasnt our place to judge?!
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shafted
This is in reference to the lady in Texas. Child abuse is everyones' business. When abusers get away with the crime, they will continue to do it. Those two young ladies in Orlando need to come forward. What is true for child abuse is also true for financial chicanery. If we do not come forward to address these wrongs how will it look to those who are not saved?