One of the branches / roots / offshoots of Quest based in Durban is being investigated by the Human Rights Commission (HRC) for employment contract abuses. The group is part of an insurance sales company called “The Ultimate” and is run by Royee Baruch, who also ran Joyspring and Turning Point. His father, Baruch Banai, trained the Quest leaders who then broke away and formed their own group.
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Asmallbitofguidence...I'm rather curious as to how you found your way onto this forum given that your involvement was over 20years ago. Why the sudden interest? You clearly come across as a 'foot soldier'. Quoting stats, ratios and giving us your guidelines on who should or shouldn't attend. The very same guidelines that just happen to be in the forms you sign before under
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I'm really hoping that I get a response on here.. I've been having quite a hard time with life in general over the last 6 months or so, and a good friend of mine told me about the Turning Point workshop offered at the Insight Training Centre/Centre of Light near Kyalami/Midrand, claiming that it would change my life and transform me for the better. I attended the presentation even
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I'm really hoping that this thread is still active and I get a response on here.. I've been having quite a hard time with life in general over the last 6 months or so, and a good friend of mine told me about the Turning Point workshop offered at the Insight Training Centre/Centre of Light near Kyalami/Midrand, claiming that it would change my life and transform me for the better.
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I'm really hoping that this thread is still active and I get a response on here.. I've been having quite a hard time with life in general over the last 6 months or so, and a good friend of mine told me about the Turning Point workshop offered at the Insight Training Centre/Centre of Light near Kyalami/Midrand, claiming that it would change my life and transform me for the better.
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Morning all, Thank you for your feedback. It was an interesting evening. You are spot on with all the smiles and hugs all around. If you knew my brother and his wife before this, you would have been as surprised as me. The presentation went on for almost 2 hours with Royee Banai was selling the course like a top notch salesman, I almost felt like a complete loser for NOT wanting to improve my
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Good day, I found your forum when searching for info on Baruch Banai and the Insight centre of Light. I am writing because my brother, his wife and their son attended a Turning Point training session presented at the centre of light and, they subsequently invite my mom and sister as well as myself to a guest evening TONIGHT. I became very suspicious about this when my brother told me that he lo
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Hi Sumi So sorry to hear about this. The thread is alive, and Banai continues to wreak havoc on peoples' lives. Let me know if you want to talk about it, I have also been through all three workshops and almost lost my marriage in the process. Those workshops are not healthy, and one can be so easily misled by the beautiful promises made of purposeful lives, understanding your life vision,
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Dear sumi: Over the years, others have discussed Insight Centre of Light. One way to recognize an LGAT or other type of irresponsible seminar is the type of waiver form subjects must sign as a condition of participation. In effect, you give them credit for your successes -- and by signing that waiver form, you release them from all responsibility if you are harmed. You are signing awa
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Hi I started this thread in the hope that there are other people out there who have been for the Turning point workshops held by the Banai's at the Insight Centre of Of light in Kyalami. I did do the Turning point workshop a couple years back and did NOT enjoy it, My hubby who did many years before me INSISTED i do it. He redid the workshop Turning point...then Joyspring..and the Mil
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QuoteDate: May 27, 2007 10:41PM Quest is definitiely an lgat. Other lgats operating in South Africa are Insight, Harlequin, and Landmark Forum. Here is a link to a skeptical article about the trainings: - very interesting because the site promotes wicca and the secret. Wendy and Buster were trained by Pat Grove. Here is a link to his website: Some excerpts from the pag
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Dr Baruch Banai he is a Jewish from Israel. He claim that his vision is to creating a World for children to be born into . We all know there is war in Israel,and If Dr Barunch Banai is so passion about changing the World he must with his own country before changing South Africa. Dr Baruch Banai want to be a viewed as a messiah. The messiah i know is Jesus and he never collect money from People to
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Hi there Is there anyone that has more info on this matter? is Royee doing the same cause i believe he has brainwashed one of my friends by telling Her he is part of his life purpose and she need to be with him! This is all part of Thea Cult it's obvious! Everything they do they do to enrich themself! Can anyone please tell me if they of more cases that he has done this with previou
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QuoteSparkyWhy can't the local governments under which these "programs" operate require psychiatric professionals oversee and license these groups? I have the same question. I walked out of Quest a while back but I have ex-friends still stuck in there and more being dragged in. Nobody seems to take the problem seriously. I don't think there is much hope of help from g
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Here is a grateful salute to member JP who posted a description of the Large Group Awareness Training Process (LGAT) to rebut one person who denied the entity was an LGAT. The entity, from JP"s own description, uses many techniques derived from the old EST program, which was later re-packaged into the Landmark Education program discussed here. If anyone requires you to submit to the k
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Here is a grateful salute to member JP who posted a description of the Large Group Awareness Training Process (LGAT) to rebut one person who denied the entity was an LGAT. If anyone requires you to submit to the kind of treatment described here, get out. You'll be processed like meat in a stinky hamburger plant. LGATs fuck with your body as well as your brain--sleep deprivation, folks
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Having had personal experience of courses run by Steven Gullan, I’d like to address this post by “MarkR” who I believe is negligent in his research at best and blatantly lying at worst. You decide which is more likely. “The South African Life Dynamics Training CC is a training company... I can assure you it is not a LGAT and certainly is not a cult in any way.” Really? Let’s just have a loo
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Hi There Please could you add the Quest seminars to this list of LGAT's? More information on Quest, Inquest, and Conquest (based on Lifespring, Impact, and Landmark LGAT's) When did Quest start? Quest Seminars was founded in 1992 by Buster and Wendy Sefor in Johannesburg, South Africa. Buster was trained by Pat Grove (The International Magician of Transformation) Pat Grove
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QuoteShy@ SaneAgain Hi, [ ] I did one of these LGAT's like two years ago. I've been told time and again the Insight Training Centre, led by Baruch/Royee Banai, is the same as Quest. Yet we never got stripped down to our underwear. We had costumes. And having been overweight, i felt nervous to stand before these strangers and get them to judge my body. But i walked out of th
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@ SaneAgain Hi, [ And yes, I do tell everyone that you get to strip down to your underwear and ask everyone whether they think you are sexy or not. And that that is about the least invasive of the activities - So - yes, I tell everyone as much as I can to put them off going. It is a bit like "making a difference" and "giving something back to the world" - all the peopl
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@ mangwanya: What exactly was your experience with Turning Point/ Baruch Banai / Insight Training Centre?
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After having gone through my experience with the Insight Training Centre, it still pains me that there are still innocent and reasonable people who still go there and there is nothing I can do. I would like to consider myself a reasonable person, so I did a basic internet search on the centre and did not find anything suspicious or untoward so I thought it was all above board. It was only through
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QuoteSaneAgainConnecting a few dots in the South Africa LGAT industry... QuoteSubject: Finished your Scamway story... Wed, 26 Aug 1998 Well-yes. Interesting; There was a cult called Breakthrough that sprung upon my home town a few years ago that operated along similar lines, separation of philosophies, almost divine worship of a leader, hugging, sleep deprivation in the name of
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Hi, I started attending the 5 day Turning Point workshop three days ago at the Insight Training Centre in Kyalami - now conducted by some nutter called Royee (who is apparently Baruch Banai's son) adn it was the worst three days of my life. He screamed at us for a full three days for minimum 8hours each day ending in the morning just before 3am. I was sitting there watching people having
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Other LGATs operating in South Africa are *Quest (Wendy and Buster) And *Insight Training Centre courses Joyspring and Turning Point (Dr. Baruch Banai)
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I have just spoken to a friend about Baruch Banai. The man has some interesting history. My friend did courses in about 1992/92 in Durban, South Africa, led by Banai. The name of the organisation presenting the courses? est! A number of others who were involved with est at that time have gone on to start other LGATs. The name Pat Grove came up. Grove, of course, is connected to Wendy an
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Thanks elena, I missed that too. Maxui wrote: Quote08-13-2007 11:22 AM Post subject: Insight Training Hi I am a graduate of one of these workshops. Seems pretty clear to me. Maxui, looks like you need a top-up at one of your integrity meetings. The Insight Training Center in South Africa is run by Dr Baruch Banai. Courses include Turning Point, Joyspring and The Mile and are run
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Connecting a few dots in the South Africa LGAT industry... QuoteSubject: Finished your Scamway story... Wed, 26 Aug 1998 Well-yes. Interesting; There was a cult called Breakthrough that sprung upon my home town a few years ago that operated along similar lines, separation of philosophies, almost divine worship of a leader, hugging, sleep deprivation in the name of "trainin
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Just adding this info in case anyone else is interested: Wendy and Buster were trained by Pat Grove, who runs Insight. Pat Grove has his claws well into the corporate world. An excerpt from his website: ** Pat Grove is a South African. He is also an internationally recognised consultant, author, lecturer and authority on Ontological Coaching. Over the past 30 years he has trained a nu
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Quest is definitiely an lgat. Other lgats operating in South Africa are Insight, Harlequin, and Landmark Forum. Here is a link to a skeptical article about the trainings: - very interesting because the site promotes wicca and the secret. Wendy and Buster were trained by Pat Grove. Here is a link to his website: Some excerpts from the page: "Pat Grove The Internationa
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