G'day Apostate, You wrote:QuoteIllegal actions were done by members, true enough, but under direction from Dave. Failure to comply meant facing a grievance which was designed to coerce the individual into compliance. The welfare fraud the ENTIRE group engaged in was one such activity. No need to go into details, but I understand that JCs at times had to face the law. Is this correct? Ho
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By the way, I'm open to extra verses/material from other creative individuals. It would tickle me pink if somehow I could incorporate the ideas (and voices) of like minded people. In this day and age it is very, very possible!
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Thanks for that Maggie! The Landmark PR machine is powerful. But it must be frightening for them at times to think what a beast we have here ... so many eyes looking out ... so much power to bring to account those with something to hide ... Long live the freedom to think and to the freedom to share our thoughts!
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By the way, what are your thoughts on the works of Robert A. Johnson? It would indeed seem prudent to atleast read his book, The Psychology Of Romantic Love.
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QuoteDear ajinajan, A friend of ours sent me your posting. How amusing. Sarcasm? Or are you amused that someone from your 'fold' has had the gall to seek out other information? QuoteFirst of all, we are not a Landmark knock-off. Since when does Landmark own that language. I think you give Landmark too much credit. They are not the originators nor the sole proprietors of transformat
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People who ask our advice almost never take it. Yet we should never refuse to give it, upon request, for it often helps us to see our own way more clearly. Brendan Francis Irish poet, author, playwright
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Proves that some 'cults' are beneficial. :lol:
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The people I distrust most are those who want to improve our lives but have only one course of action. Frank Herbert US science fiction novelist (1920 - 1986)
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Consult your friend on all things, especially on those which respect yourself. His counsel may then be useful where your own self-love might impair your judgment. Seneca Roman dramatist, philosopher, & politician (5 BC - 65 AD)
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Zelig, that is a wonderful story. It seems you're blessed with a very caring and loving family - not to mention creative and funny. I better iron out my goose-bumps. Thanks for that!
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Quotejason25yes he is a jc, he's not king tut, he's king david. he maybe banned from posting as dave mckay but he he can join up under any other name We all make mistakes.
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KingTut wroteQuoteI must say also very patient as im not the easiest person to get a;long with, due to me have very strong opinions and beliefs, and they have been nicer than some of the people in here, who have falsly labelled me a JC when i am not. I may have missed something, but when were you falsely labelled a JC? I know that I suspected you were one because of your need to curb and qu
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Starting our own cult? Now that's a good one. Very funny. Can you imagine the in-house bickering? I suppose it could work as a CULT OF CONVERSATION, but, I suspect, we'd always end up agreeing that it's best to disagree on a number of issues, especially when it comes to the number one cult doctrine - CONTROL. So, it would be less of a cult and more of a social gathering, a self-hel
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QuoteDogmotherOskar, I was so sharp with Malleeboy because he proposed alternative information about the JCs. I think we should leave that up to DM, he writes plenty all over the place. This forum has been a life-saver and God's-send to "us." Who are "we?" Human beings who have been severely hurt by DM, Now we are free to say what we want and need to say. Who's Mal
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Perhaps we should also drink to Werner's 'health' on his birthday (hic!). A special day could be organised to dishonour the work of the great man himself. First, gotta find out when he was born...and then we could toast him (or a likeness)! Anyone know Jack Rosenberg's date of birth? An afterthought, if we had the resources, would be to fly to the Caymans and hold the
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QuoteDogmotherMalleeboy,NO, you may not suggest a name! We pick our own, thank you! :( A bit rough, don't you think? It was only a suggestion. Freedom of speech and all that. I read Malleeboy's suggestion as humour, anyway. And, besides, are you, Dogmother, suggesting that there is a call for leadership for a new, improved group? Of course I'll interpret your exclamatory remark a
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Have we become lazy? Are we intent on instant gratification? Why read when you can just watch the movie? Why think when you can have it done for you? Sheep. I'm thinking about sheep. Why try when it's all so cheap? But you do get what you paid for... :lol:
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QuoteMy personal classification of a 'true landmarkian' is one who has allowed such a huge part of their conscience to be shut down, devalued, or silenced that they no longer care who they use, manipulate, or walk on to reach the goals they have set for themselves in accordance with landmarkian doctrines and measures of success. These standards and expectations are typically materiali
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Great idea. But how is it international? I think events like this are very healthy! A great way to meet up with others who aren't CO$ brainwashed... With regard to one of the YouTube videos (50s BBC with Lord Hubbard), I don't mind the humour, but it doesn't do much to sway the argument against his organisation (bad teeth, manic laugh and all). I understand that this is the norm
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Seems like another 'creative' recruitment scheme for Landmark!
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It's the natural flow. Mythology, history and heresay can be invaluable resources for those seeking more understanding than their own experiences allow. I accept that our responsibility as the living human race is to create and integrate new modes of thinking and behaviour. It's a dynamic flow and it's been happening since we sat down and admired the first sunset, learned to build
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Best just stick to THE CULT OF ONE 8)
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From Vera's siteQuote ... Satan is one of many gods, all of whom are in some sense real. There is no one all-powerful "God" like the Christian idea of "God". There are many gods who are powerful, but not all-powerful ... But you'd have to conclude that Satan is, in their view, the most all-powerful 'god'. Quote ... my own here-and-now interpretation o
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From Vera's site:Quote ... one who does believe in and worship Satan as a deity ... I thought in the Christian myth, Satan was an angel, ie Lucifer. I know many people 'worship' angels, but as deities? Unless Satanists believe in multiple gods/goddesses and therefore bestow 'godhood' on any number of ideas ... Is there a hierarchy of deities? And the RED and BLACK
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QuoteThe presenter himself kept repeating the ends of his sentences, and using the word "Amazing" all the time, like everything was "amazing", and though it really bothered me at the start, I kind of got used to it after a while. he also stole a story from Zig ziglar and made it his own, saying it was a friend of his who had experienced this. Landmark has no integrity becaus
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From the site:QuoteTuition: $3,500 a month. Three months tuition is due upon acceptance. Rich Christian kids... :roll:
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Fair enough :oops: It's just so difficult, looking over their material, not to see a bunch of cliches and stereotypes.
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QuoteConcerned EmployeeLast month, the boss proposed a project that would take place over the month. The staff agreed to do so. A couple days ago, we recieved a message reminding us that we had "commited" to do this. Of course, it was never so formal, no one stepped up and promised to do so, it was just decided together. It seems innocent enough to me in the context of this agreeme
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Well, I don't think I'm being slanderous. The words are my experience: perceptions and research. Landmark is a public company, open to scrutiny, open to different points of view. Right? Yeah, I should get something up on YouTube.
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And what the hell would a Satanist do on Halloween? Wear a colourful T-shirt and jeans, wipe off the white face paint and remove the piercings?
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