Here is an earlier thread on the New Kadampa Tradition. Earlier threads get hidden from view when more recent new topics get added. The search button is in the upper right hand corner of the website window. Make sure to put 'all dates' when you search and you will find some amazing things--this message board has been going for 7 years. Thank you to Rick and to the many gre
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Zen Master Rama, now dead, is listed in the Ross Insitute Archives He left an estate. Geoffrey Falk has been monitoring Ken Wilber and printed this item Which led to this very interesting information about the publications, groups, gurus and retreat centers getting funding from the Lenz estate. Maybe some of our in house scholars will identify familiar names and places
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American Tantric Dissimulation--Hiding the Actual Source of Influence From the RR.com message board, I would like to add a further comment to Chapter 43 on Janaki's blog--Am I Whacky? To Janaki: Just wait. Sooner or later the inevitable guru apologist (s) will arrive and claim that its only our own craving minds that cause all the trouble. No, friend. The problem is not our crav
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Mr Condon, I was never involved with Gans. However, I find it interesting that her methods of recruitment resemble those used by espionage agencies. James Webb, in his biography of Gurdjieff, The Harmonious Circle, makes a very strong case that Gurdjieff was a spy in the Imperial Russian secret service, an occupation that enabled him to travel as extensively as he did. Webb had high socie
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QuoteSubud is not a plastic toy rocket, I'm well aware of that. But the concept of abstraction is really important when it comes to understanding the mechanics of what is happening here The ability to think metaphorically and abstractly is compromised if one has been a long term inmate in prison, or in a closed society, driven by fear of reprimand, such as Subud. And a huge part of reco
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Of all people, Marie Antoinette, in the midst of the horrors of the French Revolution reputedly said, 'It is when we suffer that we come to know who we are.' And Aeschylus said, 'Pathei Mathos'--some translate this as 'From suffering, learning'. I would say, 'By recognizing and then steadily bearing the awareness of adversity, we grow wise.' (from As
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This URL is from a person who served hard time in a totally different psychotherapy cult than RW. Those who read it may perhaps find material that rings true for what they went through in RW. As for comparing oneself to Jesus here's this: Christ took the consequences by all by himself, and in person. He did hide behind an entourage or live in hiding. And in the end, Jesus w
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All are welcome to correspond here on Rick Ross's message board. But if someone is currently having a vigorous disagreement with someone outside of the Rick Ross venue, its best to keep that out of the RR.com message board and solve the problem 'off campus.' If people come here and get the idea that one minor misstep will result in them being yelled at, they'll be afrai
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BK cannot compare herself with Jesus Christ. Christ did not boot disciples from his inner circle. Nor did he work in real estate. He may have built houses, but sure didnt sell 'em. Two...the biggest difference of all was, Christ was the one who was abandoned and betrayed by his inner circle. His own accountant sold him to the authorities. If Christ had been anything like today&
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Stoic, I think you're right. QuoteLook at these covert messages and commands, be aware of them, learn to spot them but don't get bogged down in the possible motivations and personal histories of the person trying to use this covert coercive control on you. Lots of abusers exploit the language of therapy to try to get the already battered victim to feel sorry for the abuser and the
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I can pass on some information as a contribution to the dialogue. The real contribution is whether persons who have been inside will feel able to come visit. Information is always welcome. Any attempt at bullying and shaming is not. If you want to understand the impact of living long term in a political cult, get and read Janja Lalitch's book, Bounded Choice. She was in such an
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The Anticult wrote QuoteAnd they rationalize it with either not caring, or don't think about it, or think its FUNNY and laugh like Ross Jeffries in that video, or believe some Libertarian stuff, or Ayn Rand Virtue of Selfishness, etc. Or...they see themselves as mind technicians or even as magicians. A little wisdom tale from real life: I knew a fellow who was paraplegic and in
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Well, I am trying to do my bit. I own a copy of Dr Dorpat's book on gaslighting. A buddy of mine is a therapist. X said she was taking a 3 month long continuing education course on countertransferance issues. (Exactly the stuff BK should be studying and avoids doing, because she's not licensed and does not have to). I made sure to loan my pal Dorpat's book. That way she ge
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In Recognition of Our Manipulability Lies Our True Power We are socialized in the US to value autonomy, and refuse to consider how manipulable we actually are. But...here is a way to see that covert influence does affect our decision making. Look in your closet. Look what you have in your house and recall the last time you caved in and let the kids nag you into feeding them something
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I agree with Stoic. I learned a self induced method of dissociation at about age 13. Too many things were happening in my family and, by that time, inside myself. I needed a way to 'check out' and knew that 1) running away from home was not an option. From the time I was a tiny kid, I'd see homeless people and knew, in my guts, that I'd never make it on the streets.
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And, one way someone could slip this stuff in, would be to present as a nonduality teacher (totally unregulated field, unlike psychotherapy where you need a license). People in certain parts of the country are eager to get into the same room with someone giving 'satsangs'. A teacher could be the real deal, or could be someone who learned to speak guru-twaddle but who also has lear
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Chinmoy Food Biz To supplement the information about this newly released book, take note that Chinmoy's organization started some restaurants that continue to this day. Here's a list of the restaurants. All one needs to do is type these three words chinmoy vegetarian restaurant into the slot on the Google page. No need even to do an advanced search.
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Burn Out Prevention Strategy--All Purpose Disruptor Repellant A a tactical suggestion. To keep disruptors from clogging this thread with 'culture jamming' and filling it full of disinformation and noise, how about this: Each time a Disruptor appears, re-post this material that has been provided by The Anticult. QuoteFortunately now, versions of various LGAT releases of lia
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Hmmm. I was in a bookstore that specializes in rare religious and metaphysical items. In a locked bookcase, I saw a thin blue volume published by Dolphin Press, authored by Ole N, entitled The Bliss of Mahamudra or The Bliss of Madhyamika or some such thing I didnt think to ask the price, but later, in curiousity I ran a www.bookfinder.com search and the title did not come up at all. And a
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Beyond Trolling--Katydid Chirpy Culture Jamming RR.com What we may be getting from BK trolls is something that far beyond ordinary trolling. It may be a manifestation of a systematic pattern that has been termed 'culture jamming.' and I advise our interested members to do some research on culture jamming. For one thing, it may be a way that some trolls are rationa
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They may have had a very long thread about ISA over on the FACT Net site, about 4 or more years back. See if its still there. It ran to a very great length and got pretty fraught. If its still readable, be prepared to camp a long time at your computer terminal--it will take a long time to read through, but you may find stuff.
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Instead of Mind Control Call it Monopolizing Attention and Information Channels? If we refer to 'Mind Control' people panic, get angry and see it as a suggestion that they are too weak to withstand it. THen they can be easily flattered by persons insinuating they are strong and can become stronger by listening to the con artist and ignorign those of us offering warnings. Instead,
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Hypothetical Scenario Which is Just My Opinion and For Which I Have No Proof (Product of having read too many spy novels) And...in the case of certain organizations, what better way for a desperate member to demonstrate loyalty to The Cause than to make an utter nuisance of themselves by trolling on RR.com? *It fills the RR.com channel with noise and disinformation. *It gives the tr
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Last September, we did a troll count on just this BK thread: Here is the result of a search of the message board. QuoteQuote: from Helpme2times: corboy Troll Count as of September 8th 2008 Daphne, Anticultist, ralpher, Randomstu, prsp (or something like that) Ex Scientology Kid, cultcity and Idunno. I found more trolls in this thread (may have missed some): golfer6716 ed
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Instead of dealing with each disruptor, one by one, it'd be more interesting to find out the role these disruptors play--whether they're all free agents?? If so, its an astounding achievement if a business can get so many people enthralled by its product that they freely, independently, and for NO PAY, show up in droves on the single independent website that exists and try to disrup
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How to Kick Byron Katie Out of Your Mind--RECOVERY TIPS If you are a Christian: Imagine BK is running at a money changers table at the entrance to the Jerusalem Temple. Watch Jesus kick BK her out and her followers out. "This is a house of prayer, not a market!' If you are Jewish, see Simon Weisenthal and Elie Wiesel. If you had forebears who died in the Nazi concentration c
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We're doing something right. Disruptors keep arriving. Skeptical Republican seems especially interested in Anticult, being condescending, trying to find out what Anticult's role is, here on this board. Dont let any of these characters goad us into anger. They'd love to do exactly that, and they're not worth our vitality. Again, we are getting lots of these vi
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From the Feel Good Girl website--more stuff on Amma Thanks for the Free Publicity, “Cult Of The Hugging Saint” Exposed--descriptions of harassment suffered by the author following her earlier article on Amma (contains reports that Amma underfeeds and overworks her volunteers. And...this very troubling report from someone alleging that that Amma jeers at her western devotees during dar
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I dont know if this site still exists, but there is one called www.dontdatehimgirl.com It may be a source of info from women who have identified these creeps in action. We got some great stuff about One Taste from this site.
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Lets ignore anatta and the other disruptors. They dont respect the terms of use have failed to earn our attention and respect. Keep concentrating on the deep structure of how these set ups work. Or we can always re-run our best older posts, the ones new visitors to the thread are unlikely to have read, given how huge this has become. Someone should pull up the material noting when BK
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