Quotestar22I have heard this is a pyramid scheme/MLM group. One of my friends just signed up to start working for them. I looked at their website and it says their parent group is Citigroup. This makes them look credible, but I do see where they advertise the business opportunity. Can anyone tell me whether they are a scheme? Star www.primerica.com Quotestar22I have heard this is a
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Has anyone else had a bad experience with Vector Marketing. Here is their website: They are often at college campuses where they sign people up to attend a mass interview. My experience was that they won't tell you anything about their company unless you sign up for a follow up interview at their office. The lure, for college students at least, is a purported upper teens hourly compen
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QuoteHopeI guess that means there must be enough people familiar with LGATs to get the joke. Great. Interesting. Actually Landmark had a radio ad on MN's flagship AM station for part of a summer. I believe it was our KARE channel 11 that did a hidden camera expose on Lifespring in Minneapolis a few years ago too. I've encountered a surprising amount of people who've heard o
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QuoteConcerned OzI'm at a total loss. What is NM? Is this dialogue in the ad or is it in an LGAT? What's with all this "SIT"? Does the sandwich need exit counselling? :lol: Enjoy the weekend folks, Oz Let's be *TOTALLY*, like, authentic here: I bet you were *SITTING* when you typed that. :lol:
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Quotemidonov123It’s been a long time since I wanted to write about this one, and this is the occasion. Thanks for the opportunity. In the Harvard report (A Harvard Business School Case Study: Landmark Education Corporation: Selling a Paradigm Shift), it is claimed that: “Philosophers whom Erhard and Landmark acknowledge as having contributed to their work, include Aristotle, Albert Camus,
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Does any other state besides MN get the latest Angus sandwich commercials for Burger King styled after an LGAT? Funny! Forum Leader excerpts: "I'm going to teach you to sit and taste the Angus!" Leader tells participant to sit, but she cannot. Everyone looks appropriately uncomfortable. He hands her an Angus, she promtly sits. Everyone claps wildly. "You're fu
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In science people are trained in the difference between valid studies and misleading ones. For example one maxim is that correlation doesn't equal causation. In other words, just because two things happen regularly at the same time doesn't necessarily mean that they are co-related. Statistics, while in and of themselves are neutral, certain results can be emphasized to give a mi
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When a friend got involved with Scientology he wanted me to take their personality assessment. It was fairly easy to anticipate the correct answers, I filled in what I suspected they wanted to hear, and after he looked it over he informed me that I was "clear in a past life," but that unless I took a refresher I was in jeopardy of losing my "clear" status. I guess no matter ho
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QuoterrmoderatorYour post may just have failed approval. Not a glitch in the system that I am aware of. Regarding "brainwashing" See Adverstising is different. See Having reviewed this site, clearly mine is not the first non sequitor, highly speculative and/or emotionally charged observation posted here. And somehow, people being creatures far more of emotion than re
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Get the book "Feeling Good" and "Intimate Connections" by Dr. David Burns. If you're a guy also get the book "Nice Guys and Players" if dating is an issue. Well, hell, at least I got to use my psych. degree today. CNFT
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Ever feel sometimes like corporate America/the Gov. is trying to indoctrinate us via mass advertising into nothing but glassy-eyed consumers who slavishly pander to following subconscious assumptions: 1--You are powerless. 2--Happiness, self-esteem, worthiness, sex appeal, power and etc. comes from withOUT. So "BUY SOMETHING, DAMMIT; IT'S PATRIOTIC!" 3--Your work is your w
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QuoteSavernakeQuoteCosmophilospherhttp://www.nysun.com/pf.php?id=16523 More to the point, Mr. Salerno never fully answers a nagging problem he raises throughout the book: "Why America buys in ... now that's the question." It's not that 50 million Dr. Phil fans can't be wrong - God help us if they can't be - but Mr. Salerno doesn't seem capable of explaining w
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<<Hey man - sounds to me like your friend is making conscious choices when he said that. Whether you choose to label him a freak - is up to you. The man may not still have gotten off the forum's "high" - but believe me, it wears off.>> Funny how you assume I'm referring to someone specific when I wasn't even thinking of anyone in particular-
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QuotePotter500I am new to this forum and am seeking some information. I am close to a Landmark member who has completed up to and including SELP. I am very sceptical about Landmark and fearful about what it means for my friend. I have lots of questions but one issue is in view at the momnent. My friend has made many disparaging remarks about those who are ill saying that this is "the
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<<Think about how "you must experience it to believe it" may not apply in certain situations. Then list three situations where it would not apply. I'll start you off: 1. You watch as your friend steps in dog poo, grimaces with disgust, tries to wipe it off his shoe, and stinks to high heaven. Do you need to step in the dog poo yourself to decide whether stepping
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Hello: <<I forwarded my letter above to my ex-girfriend in an effort to get "complete" with her if I may use the Landmark jargon. This was her stunning reply : "please do not send me anymore of your hate mail. If you try to contact me in any way I will call the police.">> First some backstory: Have you ever heard of Cogntive Behavior T
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QuoteelenaHi CNFT, --Yes. And if you're in the mood for some really scary stuff, take a look at the "speed seduction" information. It's the NLP-types, who have, evidently, taken it to the next level. Reading what they "offer" will make your hair stand on end - not so much that it works, (which I couldn't say but don't believe could be that eff
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Hello, <<My recent encounter with a Landmarkian has created psychological damage to me. I can feel it. I feel anxious, sad, powerless, frustrated. I have a strong scientific background, and I trust my judgment and my insights when it comes to interpreting information and facts, but at the same time I feel powerless because I was unable to make a difference for her.>&am
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Quotemidonov123For France, you will find everything in the report from the National Assembly on cults at this address (in english): Information on the About-Picard anti-cult law can be found here: This anti-cult law is a world premier, and the key word is "sujétion psychologique" which translate to "psychological subjection" I don't know about other count
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Could someone direct me to where I could find out which countries have determined Landmark to be literally a cult? I realize that here in the states we do not techinically define Landmark as a "cult"...yet. However I cannot help but wonder if our legal system ever takes into account the decisions of other countries in the definition of such things. I cannot speak for everyon
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QuoteToni "... but the peer pressure to all agree NOT to conform... together..... and his sense of isolation from not surrendering to the peer pressure... Quite a contradiction that: Conforming *NOT* to conform?!?! Such reminds me of logic problems in community college: They do not not not undisagree to not dis-un-conform to not conform...or not? Huh?!? And perhaps saddes
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QuoteelenaLOL....though they, (those who are running Landmark), may seem like some of the dumbest people in the world, they CAN sometimes figure out which side their bread is buttered on. Nothing chills ~enrollment~ like a little good ol' discovery - turn on the "real" light and they run back to their hidey-holes. (How far did the discovery go?) Ellen Nice imagery. :w
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...to Mr. Ross and the staff of Rickross.com! That's terrific news about the lawsuit! And thanks to "y'all" for all of your hard work and dedication to what must seem at times like a thankless, potentially dangerous and never-ending task sometimes. Who knows? Maybe the world isn't quite such a crazy and mixed up place as it seems sometimes after all. CNFT
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Q: Does it seem that a lot of "con" as opposed to "pro" Landmark websites have disappeared of late? For example I noticed that the "Awareness Page" guest book came under serious attack, and all of its pages had been erased. I'm wondering if they might just figure it's not worth it and shut that part down for good. BTW: How fares Mr. Ross' F.O.I. defens
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Has anyone had a bad experience with the Meditation Center of Mpls. Minnesota? CNFT
Forum: Coercive Persuasion and Undue Influence

QuotebonedaddyThe other night I watched this Wayne Dyer spook on TBS. The entire thing was cultic, everything out of his mouth was the same exact garbage that was used to brainwash my wife. I find it apalling and reprehensible that he was on PBS. " Response CNFT: I don't care for Dyer, either, although sometimes I get the impression that it's perceived as not cool in certain cir
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I'm no expert, but I know what it feels like to suffer for years and years from chronic irrational guilt, anxiety, low self-esteem and all the other irrational feelings that plague us so-called "normal" people too. I found this book personally helpful, and maybe you will too. I promise that there are no strings attached, and you will not be pressured to buy more books, attend a
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First off thanks to all, particular the Landmark contributors, for helping me to save my mind and my money. I've since steered countless people here for similar purposes. First of all I am not insinuating or alluding to anyone or anything here. This is simply a caution to be vigilant. It has been my observation that some people have the impression that Rickross.com is similar to eva
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Thank you, SarahL, for the information. CNFT
Forum: Multi Level Marketing and Commercial Schemes

One last question and then I'm done here for good. Has anyone here ever been involved with A.L. Williams? I got involved with it many years ago, but I soon learned I couldn't sell to save my life. The products seemed OK to me, but having to sell door to door and pester my friends and relatives really sucked for me at least. It was multi level marketing, but back then at least it was
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