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17 years ago
vicnetwork
Haiglaw, Don't cop out........ Use your god given skills as a lawyer and seek the truth! Since you represent MSI by your involvement, you have a moral obligation to know the truth and the reality of those whom MSI has and is hurting. Do the research and ask the questions. (I refer you back to my last response with you). Verify the facts by interviewing the individual parties if you are s
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
17 years ago
vicnetwork
For your niece, 1) They may have heard of me and know about all that I did in MSI. Show them this post and if they have any questions refer them to me at Bigtommy.com or else to Edward Dalcour at the Department of Christian Defense at christiandefense.org 2) But most likely, if they are so "committed" to VLI they are locked into their mindset and are highly influenced on how to ha
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
17 years ago
vicnetwork
Hey Dave, I wanted to respond to your post and a research into my claims against MSI. First off I wanted to clarify and I have said it a number of times, that there is noble goals and intents in MSI. The vision for reaching youth, the message of lordship, holiness, and church planting are all noble pursuits. But in those pursuits, there has been errant philosophies that go back to MSI’s roots ti
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
17 years ago
vicnetwork
Hi Claire, I am not part of any organization that is involved in a counter-cult watching. I am a private individual that was a key leader in MSI whose eyes have opened to spiritual abuse such as the MSI views on Apostolic Authority, The continued Discipleship Heresy of the 1980’s (control & legalism), and errant Spiritual Fathering Practises. Having been guilty (I was one of the worst) of ho
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
17 years ago
vicnetwork
To maintain control, leaders of these Discipleship or "Authoritarian" movements, claim that the authority of the leaders is God-given or God-delegated. Thus, any disobedience to the leaders is direct disobedience to God. Thus, they emphasize heavy authority and relentless submission in the relationships between the leaders and ones under them. Space precludes me to go into every aspe
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
17 years ago
vicnetwork
"Have nothing to do with this so called Brother- not to even eat with one such as I." One of the worst things ever said to me was when Rice Broocks told me "I was full of demons and needed John Roar to cast them out of my wife and I." He went on to state, " You have a bitter and rebellious spirit and everything you do will come to ruin because of your bitter and rebell
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
17 years ago
vicnetwork
Bonasso, once bragged, “Big Tommy, You articulate our (MSI) patterns and principles even better than I.” I know these guys! And I am sad to say, many leaders in Morningstar, VCM, and CFC have all been guilty of repeating Marnatha’s authority/ discipleship errors of the past or if they themselves have not, they much of the time are guilty of not investigating individual incidents when they do occu
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
17 years ago
vicnetwork
WHERE THERE IS SMOKE, THERE IS FIRE…….. IN MORNINGSTAR! To GatorPE. You stated that, “I generally am appalled at the prevalence of a doctrine entitled "Spiritual Fatherhood" that does not cause a major outcry from Christians throughout the United States. This doctrine asserts that "God's" only model for church government is based on a father-son principle, where the ch
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
17 years ago
vicnetwork
Hi Claire, Victory Outreach is not the same as Victory Campus Ministries. As far as i know they do deal with those who come from pretty rough backrounds. They had a show on TBN called Treasures Out Of Darkness and featured ex-gang members, drug adicts, street people, ect. who had come to Christ.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
17 years ago
vicnetwork
To whom it might concern, My name is Tom Sirotnak and an e-mail was released to you that was in no way intended to be passed on to anyone, let alone to MSI Pastors. Many of you, I do not even know. I address this particularly to you to give you a much clearer understanding of how this came about. The e-mail was sent to you from a contact (named Tony Valin). I was contacted via the Internet by To
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
17 years ago
vicnetwork
Being shunned by even your closest friends, are exactly the same tactics used around the country. When I was traveling with Dr. Edwin Louis Cole (Christian Men's Network) he always taught that when we open up ourselves to a leader, either by being hired or voluntary submission, We will always pick up or have transmitted to us the spirit of that leader. Churches that join MSI or send their l
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
17 years ago
vicnetwork
Hi Rick, I sure appreciate your site and specially the little bit you have on Morning Star/Champions For Christ / Victory Campus Ministries. I was one of the top national leaders in all three of these groups, stationed at the University Of Southern California (I was a former Def. team Cpt. & 10 year chaplain with the football team) and was known for producing thousands of converts over m
Forum: Abusive and Controlling Relationships
17 years ago
vicnetwork
Hi Rick, I sure appreciate your site and specially the little bit you have on Morning Star/Champions For Christ / Victory Campus Ministries. I was one of the top national leaders in all three of these groups, stationed at the University Of Southern California (I was a former Def. team Cpt. & 10 year chaplain with the football team) and was known for producing thousands of converts over m
Forum: Destructive Churches
17 years ago
vicnetwork
Hi Rick, I sure appreciate your site and specially the little bit you have on Morning Star/Champions For Christ / Victory Campus Ministries. I was one of the top national leaders in all three of these groups, stationed at the University Of Southern California (I was a former Def. team Cpt. & 10 year chaplain with the football team) and was known for producing thousands of converts over my 22
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
17 years ago
vicnetwork
I close with the same verse I closed before: MSI would do well to learn the meaning of 1 Peter5:1-4 "Therefore, I exhort the elders among you, as your fellow elder and witness of the sufferings of Christ, and a partaker also of the glory that is to be revealed, shepherd the flock of God among you, exercising oversight not under compulsion, but voluntarily, according to the will of God; a
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
17 years ago
vicnetwork
I thought this might interest some of you. I was contacted via e-mail by someone called Tony. After I responded to him, he sent my response to a couple a dozen MSI leaders. The following is my response To Morning Stars harsh jugment that paints a picture that I am just bitter and rebellious. To whom it might concern, My name is Tom Sirotnak and an e-mail was released to you that was in no way
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
17 years ago
vicnetwork
Quoteilovegoldens7 Thank you so much for your willingness to share your story with us. There are many people who are so confused and in bondage due to certain teachings and the application of those teachings in many churches today because of this group. I recently left my church of 7 years because of this group. We joined with them, and from that moment on I sensed a bondage that'
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
17 years ago
vicnetwork
Hi Rick, I sure appreciate your site and specially the little bit you have on Morning Star/Champions For Christ / Victory Campus Ministries. I was one of the top national leaders in all three of these groups, stationed at the University Of Southern California (I was a former Def. team Cpt. & 10 year chaplain with the football team) and was known for producing thousands of converts over m
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