Love this, Changedagain! *************** Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens Posted by: changedagain () Date: April 10, 2024 12:34PM Updated stats: Comments: 12,589 Page views: 3,718,477 Thank you to all who have contributed to this discussion through the years-- including, but not limited to: UnapologeticallyJohn832, Reepicheep, puddington, k
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Posted by: paleface Date: December 06, 2015 01:30AM Does anyone know when the prayers for the death of Martha Stevens started? Was it 1974 or so? Or was it earlier? ***************** I was told that the intercessor group knew about this and prayed for Martha's death starting in 1962. That was the same year that John Robert Stevens claimed to have a vision of his wife, Martha, lying
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Changed wrote: The connection between idolizing a dishonest, ego-driven leader and normalizing the use of violence against his perceived enemies. That would include his first wife, of course. Posted by: Lilith Date: October 03, 2023 04:23AM That was quite an eye-opening episode. The violence against JRS's wife Martha at the time described in her divorce filing was horrible, and the
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Changed wrote: Too bad the 'door opener' didn't leave many of these doors shut. That would have been helpful. It would mean less nonsense for survivors of his 'ministry' to contend with. I agree. How I wish we had had the internet in those days. When some of my friends started posting on this and other forums, my eyes were opened. I said, "They are saying what
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The Jewel wrote: I suspect that there was a lot in JRS teaching that wasn’t “original” to him (that has been said by many). I had a coworker that once referred to his girlfriend as “a spiritual vampire.” —- I guess the relationship wasn’t going too well. I was floored to hear that term (outside of TLW) and asked him where he got that. After probing a bit, I found out he had grown up in Four-Sq
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TheJewel wrote: There was no shortage of bizarre stuff flying around. For some reason it was always the democrats who were the bad guys behind it all. Rockefeller and other celebrity “nephilim.” Incidentally, I remember reading something about the New Apostolic Reformation movement where there was a comment about the Nephilim thing. So the conspiracy lives on I guess. I think I caught this
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Oh, and Bob Dylan too! And the sweatshirt. Thanks, Changed and Jewel!
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The Chad Mitchell Trio...blast from the past! I still remember when John Robert Stevens was passing out material from The John Birch Society. Wow!
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Changed wrote: "What to you like least about me?" "That you tend to make sense." "Well, what can I do about that?" "Easy--I have in my possession a bunch of CD's where Marilyn speaks about the spirit realm. Just listen to them faithfully before you go to bed every night. You will be a changed person." "For the better?" "
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The Cult of Trump
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Changed wrote: Onion wrote; Also evidenced by Rick's appointment to the Boards of Directors and commissioned oversight in L.A. especially regarding the schools where Rick had the authority to decide the amount of wages paid to teachers, OMG! What could go wrong with that arrangement? A serial abuser in a position of authority over the school, the teachers, and teacher's wages. S
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Ah, the birthday cards. The faux assurance telling us that Gary & Marilyn cared for each one individually and us personally. Of course it was a list generated at the local church level and consolidated and mailed out by a "servant" or secretary in Shiloh. Another control tactic, if you ask me. I have now forgotten when I stopped receiving them. I left in 2008 or 2009. As so many
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Changed wrote: ...Hey parents, stay away from anything that involves Gary Hargrave. Protect your children's lives--it's your responsibility. Thanks Reep for issuing this warning. “Shiloh Learning offers resources for the restoring of education to its biblical roots – which we believe are in keeping with sound educational research for the wholeness and well-being of students, fa
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Looking through parent workbooks at Shiloh Learning. Someone please rescue me from this deep dive! Anyway, one of the contributors listed is this person/organization.
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Unfortunately, the news about the end of Shiloh University must be tempered by caution. Gary Hargrave is not finished with education altogether. Now he is focusing his efforts toward the K-12 homeschool community. *********** “Shiloh Learning is focused on encouraging and equipping parents in their God-designed roles and responsibilities for engaging in the learning and development of t
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An interesting item has come to my attention, and I see it as a cause for celebration. Regarding Shiloh University from their website's history section: "Through the years, Shiloh University fostered a history of faculty loyalty and student satisfaction. The school, however, was unable to sustain sufficient growth to maintain the quality and integrity of future operations. In additio
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Excellent choices for reposting, Changed. I was looking at the same time period yesterday. January 5th, 2018 was a busy day for a few of us. The fur was flying on that day. Boy, howdy!
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Changed wrote: What you see, you shouldn't trust. So that 400 lb guy on the platform wearing a Hawaiian shirt is not real? WHAT DID I JUST TELL YOU!! #HumorFailsUnlimited _________________ Exactly! My favorite part of this episode was when Scott and Charity shared tidbits from This Week inserts that someone had saved. Lots of End Time prep (shudder) stuff. Did I ever mentio
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You'll laugh! You may cry. It will definitely make you think. And then laugh some more. Be sure to watch this end of the first season episode of Oops! I'm In A Cult.
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Great synopsis, Changed. It seemingly happened almost overnight. The Catholic church was Mystery Babylon. And then, shortly after Pope John Paul had passed, Gary was suddenly interested in who the new pope would be. So crazy!
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I just watched the new video interview of Johana Wozniak, who was born and raised in The Living Word Fellowship. This included spending her entire school career at Centers of Learning in North Hills, CA. What do you suppose happened when she needed help at the age of 17? Thank you, Scott Barker. Thank you Charity Navalesi. These interviews are helping so many of us to process our experiences.
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It boggles my mind how long these con artists were able to trick people (us) into believing that God was talking to them in a coherent manner. They were making it up as they went along. There was no "God's plan". It was a long con since the beginning. And at least one or a few are still gouging misguided people with good hearts. May the cons rot...
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There's a new Oops! I'm In A Cult featuring former TLWF member and frequent contributor on this thread, Larry Bobo. Excellent, as always! Thank you, Scott and Charity!
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Another excellent episode of Oops! I'm In A Cult is up on YouTube.
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JezTheBelle wrote: Proverbs 11:9 "With his mouth the godless man would destroy his neighbor, but by knowledge the righteous are delivered" For once the buggers got it right. It WAS knowledge that delivered us. Not G&M and certainly not some plagiarized "Word" or even "submission." It was knowledge. And we've certainly been delivered. And about that
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Changed wrote: I'm a little confused. So what do you want me to be? Anything but you. That's for sure, Changed. Especially if it was a zero with the rim rubbed out. And I feel that I would be remiss if I didn't point out that neither JRS, nor Marilyn, nor Gary, nor Rick ever attempted to be that (a zero) even once in my recollection.
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Happy Freedom Day! I know that I'm two days late. It's worth mentioning that five years ago on October 25th, 2018, Shalom Abrahamson posted her devastating evidence of abuse and coverups by TLWF leaders. I, and so many others, are still in awe of this act of bravery. Thank you forever, Shalom!
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Changed shared: Posted by: pressingonbyHisgrace Date: January 03, 2019 01:48PM Do you remember the phrase "You're killing John"? This was said to people who were not toe-ing the line correctly, in the late 70's and early 80's. The responsibility of God not moving John into resurrection life was laid upon the congregation. We were told (mostly by Marilyn Hargrave) t
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Excellent new YouTube video from Scott Barker and Charity Navalesi. Lots of historical evidence. I'm still watching and I'm blown away.
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Changed wrote: Q. You see some guy, obviously drunk, recklessly driving a golf cart. He is now heading dangerously close to you. What, if anything, do you say to him? A. Hello King David! **************** Oh, yes. And if you were foolish enough to live in the Church of the Living Word, North Hills neighborhood, it was a very common sight. True story: Did you know that when we first mo
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