puddington Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I wonder if Gary Hargrave is telling people that > COVID-19 is a hoax? Either that or he's selling lots of MFC products. Or both.
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Putting these posts together in this way creates a strong impact and tells a story. Thanks for doing this, changedagain. BOUNDARIES
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I also remember the first church summer camp I went to. In the afternoons, kids were swimming in the pool. Brother Stevens was chasing girls around and throwing them in the pool. He was growling and trying to scare these teenagers in bikinis. It seemed very strange to me, and I stayed away.
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These posts from Richard M., Marilyn Hargrave's first husband, and her cousin, fromsouthchicago, are very triggering. As a young teen in the Valley church, I had no idea about JRS' philandering. I now believe that he had affairs with Marilyn and many others. I thought he was an old man, and took his words at face value. My first experience with his inappropriate attention was a slap on
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Love these posts by slandjt and FCSLC, changed. Slandjt wrote: "...I moved on from the Walk a long time ago, and although it will always be a part of my life, I now have a much quieter, peaceful life and a much greater understanding of the human condition. FCSLC wrote: "Doing it yourself takes some time, but one thing is for sure, the approval or disapproval of others beco
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Posted by: seventies walker Date: August 14, 2017 05:24PM "Lived like witness protection for 20 years. No friends, no history, no church." I think a lot of people feel that way after leaving TLWF, seventies walker. :'( Here's an interesting article on leaving a cult or religion.
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TheJewel Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- Reepicheep Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > TheJewel Wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------ > RD was a real weirdo. > > > Jewel, wasn't being deviant a requirement for > apostleship? Apparently so but I didn’t know that at the time
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TheJewel Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------ RD was a real weirdo. Jewel, wasn't being deviant a requirement for apostleship?
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > A couple posts from February of 2018: > > Posted by: TheycalledmeJonah > Date: February 20, 2018 11:52AM > > What a splendid idea! Perhaps we should also bind > and loose the entire journey!? > > After last years trip (happened around the same > time frame) SEVERAL services we
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I admire your courage, Aleutian, in knowingly or > unknowingly violating 'divine order.' Hope you're > doing well. > > Posted by: Aleutian > Date: January 10, 2019 12:12PM > > I recently recalled a time I was volunteering > working on ¨G and M´s¨ luxury home on Oahu
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This post by 'fool me twice' from March of 2019 > which mentions an encounter she had with the > 'Apostle of love': > > Posted by: fool me twice > Date: March 23, 2019 10:57AM > > Onion wrote: > Fool me twice: How many hours did you work to > earn that whopp
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There's a lot pain and a lot of power in these posts about becoming free after years of submitting to "authority". As a teenager in The Walk, I was told stories about the death and destruction that awaited those who rebelled. If God didn't kill you in a fiery crash, you faced a failed, miserable life of knowing that you were not fit for the kingdom of their god. You would los
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kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > “Collateral damage” is not necessarily a > resume enhancement for one seeking to reboot a new > world-wide 'misery', aka, Jerusalem Center, > featuring a G-man on the r u n . . . Good point, kBOY! Possible Gary Hargrave resume: I specialize in collateral damage. In fact, I feel that I am best qu
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Gary’s response “We don’t need to change > anything. This is just collateral damage in the > battle for the kingdom. There’s always going to be > casualties.” > > I wonder if his attitude would have been different > if it was his life being ruined by the > gross negligence of those whos
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An interesting post regarding the shepherding requirements in TLWF. People were hurt. JRS and G&M were culpable. They knew of situations and wrongdoing. They did not report it to the proper authorities and even participated in cover ups. Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens Posted by: puddington () Date: May 06, 2018 12:24PM There was one situation of sexual a
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Leahsmiles Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I didn't realize older members didn't have an > Elijah....that it was mainly kids makes it even > worse. I did dodge a bullet. I've always been > grateful I didn't go through some of the more > horrible abuses I suspected. I don't know what > tipped the scales against me b
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Leahsmiles wrote: > My foster mom told me there would never be > abuse because each Elijah had his own Elijah in a > chain that reached to the apostles. I thought it > was an idiotic defense then and now. > > Yes, that is idiotic. Especially in light of what > we know now about these &
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Sad re-posts about the San Diego TLWF church by paleface and thisweek. It was all about control. That's one thing all the churches had in common, but some were worse than others. : ( Welcome, Leahsmiles. I was part of TLWF from the late sixties until about ten years ago. I doubt that our paths crossed, but I had lots of experience with that "emotional, mental, and spiritual abuse&qu
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Changed, you find great posts that really need to be seen again. Thanks! BTW, you posted this at 8:28am and dbc posted at 8:28 pm. Do you plan these odd coincidences?
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Post by dbc from November of 2018: > > Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John > Robert Stevens > Posted by: dbc () > Date: November 02, 2018 08:28PM > > Let’s not forget the origins of this group. It was > meant to be the restoration of apostolic > authority. Inherent i
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Changed4me wrote on July 30, 2013 10:19AM: "One day we saw John and Marilyn parked on a secluded street... it looked like they were just talking. The guy I was with told me this was not the first time he had seen them together in that area. He explained to me that John needed the time away from Martha in order to work on sermons. This guy is the first person to tell me that Martha was a N
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hope everyone is doing what they can to stay safe > during this pandemic, knowing full well they no > longer have a covering. > -Danny Downer Oh so glad NOT to have a designated relationship, covering, shepherd, apostle, or anything remotely silmilar. They were their own pandemic.
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > A post by GSchaef from October 2018 (stop deifying > JRS): > > Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John > Robert Stevens > Posted by: GSchaeff > Date: October 28, 2018 11:32AM > > For any new visitors to this forum, one thought > I'd like to dispel is that this type
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Imapurple, thank you for sharing your experiences. I wish you continued healing and a normal life from here on. <3
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- Note: I had never heard the term 'The Purples' while I was in the Walk/TLWF. Probably because I wasn't supposed to know anything about what it referred to. Me too, Changed. I probably never heard of them because I would NOT have done anything for Marilyn. Only a sicko cult leader would require this o
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SunnyFord Wrote: To me it was always was more about the men. This is another example. They helped when it was the man who was ill... that if I remember correctly John Miller cared about this couple supposedly. I saw this over and over. Was John still there, at that point? I had left TLWF by then. Don't get me started on Bruce Larson. Those they could get things out of, they wined and dine
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > jhorning wrote: > He told me what I did in the past doesn't count > and I couldn't be an elder unless I came up under > him. > > I would point out Walk/TLWF ministries' obsession > with position thinking, but that would indicate > that perhaps I am obsessed with position
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typer Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Yes, I tried position thinking with the puppies > but it didn't work. When I was eating bacon, one > of them sits on his back legs. When they look at > me with their puppy eyes; the next thing I know, > the bacon finds their mouths. It just seems to > always find their eagerly waiting mouths. They
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Looking into the eyes of the Kahuna? Yes, he meant LM. He seemed to be substituting kahuna for nephilim in that instance. It was weird. kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Not good to piss off a Bruddah, Bra, especially > one the size of Larry. So sad. Larry spen
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I remember a restricted tape played in a South Gate service...JRS said he realized he was looking into the eyes of the Kahuna. Yeah, it was most likely one of Marilyn's numerous snits. Sigh... P.S. Looking back, he sounded drunk...kind of like how he sounded in The Sleeping Prophecies...
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