Quotebarabarakath wrote: Quote livingthequestions wrote: I started developing neurological problems, falling down stairs, running into doorframes even when I saw them coming... That's my pet hate that is. When new agers call a psychosomatic illness a 'neurological problem.' How would you know whether or not she had a "psychosomatic illness". With those symptoms,
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We won't have shouting, here :D
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QuotebarabaraI wonder why there is such a need to make light of the personal experiences related by livingthequestions? She is not an apologist for some "dangerous cult", after all. Perhaps her beliefs are unprovable, but I for one enjoy hearing about her experiences. Me too lol :D :D :D :D I think she is an invention by a creative senior member. Love Kath
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Quotelivingthequestions I started developing neurological problems, falling down stairs, running into doorframes even when I saw them coming... That's my pet hate that is. When new agers call a psychosomatic illness a 'neurological problem.' Quote I would put my hands out in front of me, one was yes, one was no and I'd ask my question and wait until one got heavy. Why
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QuotebarabaraIt occurs to me that the children called "indigos" have been discussed here as having ADHD; in other words, abnormal. Suggestions have been made that they need therapy, medication, or at least a good spanking. This is the point of my "wrangling", as you call it. I think the problem is that if I use the terms ADHD, therapy or medication, you think I am using
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No human is normal it's true- a large percentage have had breakdowns, have a spiritual life or some such. But what marks someone out as healthy to me is if they can chat to a stranger in public without mentioning an indigo, energies, psychism or whatever their particular obsession is etc unless the other person brings it up. Even if an indigo could manage this, I imagine their beliefs
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I meant normal in as much as the sort of everyday chat you would have at a bus stop or in a supermarket queue:) Love Kath
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it's a whole other language made up of buzz words and concepts alien to normal life too. Can't be good for people and their ability to chat and interact socially with 'normal' people. Love Kath
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The danger I feel is in people pidgeoholing themselves, 'I am an indigo.' Then either before of after that they take on the whole package- energies, highly sensitive person etc. They could get so much more from some decent counselling or psychotherapy without having to buy into a whole belief system or lifestyle. Each to his own though I suppose! Love Kath
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Quotebarabara Yes, it is possible to test for high intelligence and other traits. Indigo proponents don't generally claim a high IQ for the children. This is because it could be measured. Of course, if an Indigo child's IQ were measured, their fans would say their particular hyperspiritual brand of intelligence cannot be measured using current mainstream methods (very convenie
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Thanks for posting the links and interview extract, shakti. As soon as people start saying any one group is elite, they stray into 'cult' territory. Love Kath
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They are not likely to mention anything likely to be contraversial in his promotial website. Lots of websites replicate the same extracts. Google is your friend:) Love Kath
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they are just quoting from Walsh's book. There are lots of sites with this quote on- mainly born-agains but it's still a quote from the book. New age sites etc probably wouldn't mention this bit:) Love Kath
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Do you mean spiritualists in general? Of which the Spiritualists National Union is the largest movement in the UK? Love Kath
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Hitler went to heaven. (35) Because Hitler did nothing wrong." Hitler simply did what he did. (55) . . . The mistakes Hitler made did no harm or damage to those whose deaths he caused. Those souls were released from their earthly bondage. . . . No one who has experienced death ever mourns the death of anyone. (42) Hitler was created by you. He arose out of your Collective Conscious
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Quotenutrino Now I declare my next thought to be absolutely brilliant, It is brilliant because it is brilliant. I am that I am. I Yam the Possibility of Yam. I am pure love. I am the second coming. I am hot stuff. I am the orgasm made material. I am the reincarnation of Werner. I declare this to be so. Therefore what the bleep do we know? I am Werner 2.0. There's a poem in there somewher
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QuoteAcid ReindeerI got an e-mail from a man with Asperger's who said that he had never met anyone who regreted having Asperger's. this information surprised me, actually. you can make of that what you will... Those with aspergers often have co-existing depression or anxiety which they would rather be without. ----------------------- In your next post you say 'change the worl
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QuoteAcid Reindeer two points to add, I had not really heard of synesthesia considered as a defect before. Where did I use the word defect? Isn't it strange how in this thread it's hard to stick to the topic of Indigo Children? Could it be that They are influencing our discussion?:D Love Kath
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QuoteAcid Reindeer two points to add, I had not really heard of synesthesia considered as a defect before. and the autistic online community, the same community thta coined the term, neurodiversity does not really describe themselves as "suffering" from autism because they tend not to consider autism as a disability. Precisely, they are moving somewhat from suffering, to celebrating
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This thread is about Indigos. The designated word "Indigo" has nothing to do with the color of an aura! It is the result of scientific observations by a woman who has the brain disorder called synesthesia. What is interesting about the indigo concept and what it shows is New Agers' 'different' idea of what science is, as shown above. This I think is dangerous,
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It's cheaper not to spend time 'vetting' recruits. I got a telesales job once, for those sort of jobs there's no vetting procedure at first. There's a high drop out rate so MLMs and telesales both need just to carry on recruiting large numbers. Those who don't do well with MLMs retire themselves. You couldn't get a business with less effort or overhe
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QuoteAcid Reindeer what makes ADHD and better descriptor than Indigo Child, then? Parents who accept an ADHD diagnosis are more likely to accept ADHD treatment options which actually have some scietific proof behind them that they help children. Love Kath
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I removed the mention of him on that wikipedia list. All the links to entries about him were deleted months ago as P.A. are deemed not noteworthy and were merely using wikipedia as free advertising space. Love Kath
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Shea, the leaders of the P.A see paganism very much as a Religion, and are involved with inter-faith, chatting to Bishops etc. Ironic really, considering their reputation:) Are you still involved in paganism? There are some ok people around nowadays, finally. Love Kath
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Quotepheebs Kath I totally agree with, my family and I have believed that the PA has needed to be removed for years because of the allegations and what not. Pheebs Hi Pheebs, what has been your experience with the P.A. and what allegations have you heard? Only it'd be good to hear about them from your perspective. Would I know you and your family? Have you tried any of the new
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This is what she sent a contributor to a pagan forum, who is new and she does not know, via PM:- Why are you posting bullshit? Can you tell me which moot co-ordinators were "pressured" to step down in order to pave the way for pro-PA organisers to make the moot join the PA? That's complete bullshit. I don't know who you are or if we've ever met, but I can only guess y
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A lot of individuals/members of the p.a seem very keen that opposition should be silenced. They monitor and limit what is said on pagan forums, while the leaders of the p.a are allowed to swear at and bully new people they don't know, via PM on those forums. Could it be that the p.a deliberately try and ingratiate themselves with those who run forums, so as to control their content?
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Did you mean to post that here or to a different forum?;) Love Kath
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QuotedbvanhornKath, Karenb, what happened? There was some discussion going on, then you dissapeared. Daydreamer said everything I was going to say:) It's a swinger's club, or a dating agency for those into 'alternative lifestyles.' Love Kath
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Quotepocodulce I also stated that all of the atrocities supported by the Catholic church throughout the centuries must be atoned for in order for me to go to a Catholic church. What do you mean by 'atonement'? Presumably you don't mean you want them to say lots of Hail Marys?:) Love Kath
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