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10 years ago
Splash90
Every month he has a script for someone who needs to set a boundary. I love 'em! The boundaries are usually pretty strict too, moreso than most people would think was 'acceptable' for family members. "But they're family!!" Phil's response: "family-schmamly..." YEA! I don't watch TV - just DVDs - and I've never seen Phil's show but I h
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
Splash90
Today I was browsing around reading the Participant Reports links, and came across this comment about Oprah: At 4/16/2008 6:39 AM, Anonymous said... One thing regarding Katie's hookup with Oprah (and Tolle's): Oprah has a way of tearing through ideas and pulling her followers along with her, skimming off the top layer and then racing on to the next thing... leaving a "burnt f
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
Splash90
I cobbled together every link to every testimony about BK that's been cited here and elsewhere, for a BK supporter who doesn't want to believe anything bad of her. Here it is: On Guruphiliac: On this forum: By dlp72: By quackdave: By question4truth: By blammo: By waterbottle: By chicky monkey: By jj52:
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
Splash90
LOL... at least Dr. Phil hasn't yet aspired to Godhood. And he gives good advice in the magazine. Funny thing is I've never even watched Oprah on TV. I don't get the magazine because of her but because of all the great articles in it that OTHER people write. I'd like to see her really investigate BK and ET more thoroughly (i.e. attend their intensive programs with a journa
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
Splash90
Oh gawd... I heard about BK through a recent article in O the Oprah magazine. And now, p.135 of the latest O issue says, "To quote one of O's favorite philosophers, Eckhart Tolle..." UGH!! Maybe I should stop reading this magazine...
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
Splash90
Quotehelpme2timesI think it is sad that there is such a huge level of DENIAL from some parties that there might be even a HINT of anything wrong in BK-land. Interestingly "Lauren" has claimed that we are merely promoting hearsay here. Unfortunately that doesn't help her case, because the same can be said of her. Why believe what she has to say? She seems to think that Byron Katie i
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
Splash90
Good quote... and the complete opposite of what BK espouses. too bad it seems Lauren is gone...
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
Splash90
"GET REAL, ACCEPT LIFE AS IT IS, AND DO!" That teaching goes WAY further back... It was a foundational tenet of Buddha, for example. Too bad BK and ET don't just stop there, with that one teaching.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
Splash90
Yes, there is an avalanche of evidence (besides even that point you brought up, Corboy), that Byron Katie does NOT actually "love what is."
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
Splash90
P.P.S. let me clarify what I meant when I said that "I no longer had daily suicidal thoughts, nightmares, anxiety attacks, or flashbacks." The word 'daily' could be misconstrued, so I wanted to clarify that after 4 years of healing work, I no longer had any of them EVER (or since). "Daily" referred to the suicidal thoughts I used to have daily. And one last thing
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
Splash90
P.S. to my last post to Lauren: I struggle with anxiety because of postpartum depression, in case anyone was wondering why I was saying I was 'healed' when I still have anxiety! And I'm pretty much over that; it lasts at most 2 years and my daughter just turned 2.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
Splash90
QuoteThe AnticultWould a person go to see an unlicensed medical "doctor" they found on the internet? Unfortunately, YES...
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
Splash90
Lauren, I'm replying to a couple of your posts here. I am sorry you've been going through a painful time. I understand that anything that helps you relieve that pain is hard to see being criticized. Please bear with me as I reply because the reason I post here at all is that I don't want people to suffer needlessly, even at the hands of someone who says she's doing what
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
Splash90
Anticult re-posted those quotes from "Losing the Moon." It's ironic that I posted what I did about BK vs. Hitler (quoted below), since BK doesn't call what the Nazis did 'evil'. She calls it God. Because according to her, everything and everyone is God. If that's not sick and twisted, I don't know what is. It may sound lovely... accepting what "is"
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
Splash90
QuoteShaking My HeadI do feel, too, that telling a woman who has survived child rape-- that she is abusing herself, has abused the abuser and was involved in this to get the love/attention/approval she was after, that this is a GREAT BIG RED FLAG. It's very obvious and I don't know how anyone could miss it. It's not just a 'big red flag,' it's horrifying!!!
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
Splash90
A question for Lauren or other BK supporters reading this: Why is it that once people have done the Work on something, they don't then do the Work AGAIN on the conclusion they come to as a result of having done the Work the first time? If you are supposed to question every thought, shouldn't this include the thoughts you have as a result of doing the Work? This is another problem
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
Splash90
Wow, AC - those Participant Reports should be more than enough to convince anyone to steer clear of BK and the Work. I hope they do. If these people would create affidavits, then it could be used as legal evidence.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
Splash90
Quotelauren This post that I am replying to is over a year old. I don't know if anyone will even read this comment, but that's okay if no one does. I'll keep it short.... You talked about all the trick photography and PhotoShop tactics that are used to lighten Katie's eyes... Last fall, Katie worked with me through a stressful thought at a seminar. I looked into those e
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
Splash90
QuotelaurenTo 'The Anticult': Pretty much every work you wrote on this post is off base. Anyone can make a big deal about anything pretty easily, apparently! The 'Dreaded List'??? It is not at all unusual when attending seminars or educational classes that rules are set and prohibitions are set in place for the few days in attendance. This is so that people will get t
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
Splash90
I've been studying Byron Katie over the past few weeks, and this morning was thinking about all the people who start cults and/or use mind control on people. Their basic message seems to be: "I have the answer for how to rid your life of pain, and all you need to do is give me control of your life." And then that quote from The Princess Bride popped into my head. It is sooo true, n
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
10 years ago
Splash90
Thx Stoic - "The Devil Can't Write No Love Songs"!! :) (LOVE that Will Ferrell skit... gotta see it if u haven't. . It's on SNL's Best of WF.) I had a flash of inspiration last night that I'm going to try on Wikipedia. I will repost the concern about the rape turnarounds, but only use the text from Loving What Is and an actual interview video as references
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
Splash90
RR - I'm replying to your post where you listed the problems with LGATs. The excerpt below from that list describes BK EXACTLY... meaning she is dangerous according to that criteria. Do you have a source/reference for that list? Who wrote it? Quoterrmoderator The groups were determined to be dangerous when: Leaders had rigid, unbending beliefs about what participants should exper
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
10 years ago
Splash90
Ah, AC, you are now officially my cult activist role model! After a couple of days of research on BK I started posting comments on some websites and I wrote a letter to Oprah and Steven Hassan. I posted comments on those YouTube videos. And then of course my try for Wikipedia Criticism that failed. And guess what? The comments I posted on the BK pages on Oprah.com DIDN'T get posted. (Maybe i
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
Splash90
Thanks, P... oh well - I figure if people are reading about her on Wikipedia they'll likely read about her on other websites too like this forum, and that blog about her school that I used as references (the links in my other post.) And heck, if people who read her books aren't bothered by her 'interviews', then nothing they read about her online would be likely to change thei
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
Splash90
I read through Wikipedia's content guidelines. I'm going to wait a day and then try again with this version, unless anyone has a better suggestion: There is documentation of rape and incest victims taking partial or full blame for what happened to them. The School for the Work has been accused of using unethical [] techniques. I got a message explaining the deletion
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
Splash90
My section about the School on Wikipedia just got deleted. I don't know if it was because I quoted content from this page (JJ's story) or some BK supporter deleted it. 5 minutes later... I just added a truncated version of the information on the School with no quoted text and it also got deleted immediately. OK now everything i added has been deleted. It's either a BK support
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
Splash90
Quotejj52I reached a point where the obvious turnarounds didn't feel true anymore... and I had to look deeper for what was true. By doing the Worksheets, I started to see things that I hadn't seen before... like the fact that BK was an "anti-Christ". Yep, that came about in my turnarounds. I also started to see how manipulative my in-laws were, and how what they were doing to
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
Splash90
Thanks, HM2X! I know I'm replying to all this 2 years late, but since I just heard about her, it's all new and fascinating to me. I've always been very interested in social issues, even as a teen, and even after I worked through my own cult recovery, the whole concept of how cults work still continues to interest me... it's such a bizarre thing. Sometimes I have to step away,
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
Splash90
I fleshed out the Wikipedia entry a bit more than what I posted above. We'll see if it sticks! I also watched a few videos on YouTube. part 1 of the Israeli woman's fear of war, and also one about someone's father dying. My off-the-bat reactions: 1) She made a few good points in each, which of course any guru will do so that you say, 'well that sounds ok' and then k
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