I just found this old post from Corboy on another thread. It says some things very clearly that I've tried to articulate in other threads about the problems with New Age practices, applying ancient mystical teachings to every day life in the modern world. I think it applies very well to members of LGATs like Landmark, and ten times over to Byron Katie worshippers. From an article on y
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Yikes, check out the hypnotic text EXCERPT from the Byron Katie certified facilitator Diane Bradshaw.. Notice how slick it looks and sounds? Just like a conversation. She even buries the 4 Questions slightly, without saying Byron Katie, to draw you in. This reads like advertising copy, but its really a light Trance Induction, just to start to draw you in. Spot the embedded commands...lead
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Three posts and none have shown up yet? Am Ibeing impatient? chick
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oh and I am related to Allen Carr the stop smoking guru, now it all looks crap doesnt it....It feels it from where I am sitting chick
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So just to add Was this a cult that uses a range of books as part of the spiritual journey? I know I was manipulated and see that I was done over but the cult group said it was Scientology and or Landmark... I was given The Four Agreements by Don Miquel Ruiz = Toltec Fearless Living Byron Katie, Loving what is (Sedona Method) which is known as the rele
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The Byron Katie (The Work) links are crawling with hypnotherapists, hypnotherapy, hypnosis, covert hypnosis... Byron Katie certified facilitator is a Hypnotist: _____________________________________________ Diane Bradshaw Arizona, USA English "My journey as a trainer began in the late 80's with a hunger to learn everything I could about self awareness and healing. For ma
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Hi checking in from the UK. A small portion of my story.... I have tried reading all that was written on this thread and unfortunately it leaves me cold with worry with regards to what I have gone through in the last year, with a starting point with BK and the work Last year I undertook a series of six sessions, around a life coach. As part of it BK was touched on and we did the work and to
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QuotevlindenPart of the problem is that so many people are in different places regarding their involvement with these groups. Some are still very much involved, others are totally out and recovering, others have recently lost someone to a group and are seething in pain over that, others lost people long ago and are counseling the new folks with pure understanding. It really is difficult to kn
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Quotejj52QuoterrmoderatorTo whom it may concern: Please to be civil and reasonable. There should be no need for anyone to leave due to a lack of civility. Flaming and personal attacks are against the rules. THANK YOU! -jj rr I know this is a stupid question, but I don't remember - what is 'flaming'? -Shad
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Well I suppose we all could be nicer to the folks we think are trolls, let them know we think they're trolls, and ask them kindly to please stop trolling? I did wonder for moment about Jon Willis contacting JJ privately and saying things to her that seemed different from what he said on this thread. Unless I'm mistaken, I just don't remember him saying anything that seemed he wa
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Yeah, I think troll even more specifically in the case of this Board means someone sent from an LGAT specifically to defend it or drive the wedge into the conversation so that people reading the thread who are "on the fence" feel they might "get some value" out of going to a meeting or seminar, and everyone on this Board is just reactionary or "wants" to hate the LGA
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Just to be clear for those coming here who may not be all that internet savvy... This is the definition of a troll, according to Wikipedia: QuoteAn Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial and usually irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, with the intention of baiting other users into an emotion
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Back to the purpose of this thread . . . I think it would be interesting to contact women's groups, rape counselors, incest counselors, etc, and send them clips of BK's twisted approach to dealing with these kinds of serious trauma. Maybe that is one way to build an awareness movement.
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Well, it seems JJ had some personal interaction with Jon Willis that made her think he was really getting something out of this board. But I don't recall that at any point he claimed he was having a problem with BK at all, he seemed to really like The Work, he had no gripes. That's why I asked him what he was doing here at all. JJ, on the other hand, has never once appeared to be
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QuotevlindenTo clarify . . . I can see that some defending of a group or person could happen, if someone is still involved and unsure. Again, it's just hard to tell sometimes whether that person is really a troll out to deceive. If someone shows up here to defend BK out of a sincere belief in the efficacy of her work, they're still trolling, albeit unconsciously, brainwashedly. Know
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I think he deserved to be given a hard time, and I gave it to him too. Being an apologist for the work and knowing what this board is about, he had to have known that he would likely meet with some sort of resistance. Yeah, I hear you. I think the real anger toward him came when it seemed he had been dishonest. That made him look like a text book troll.
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To clarify . . . I can see that some defending of a group or person could happen, if someone is still involved and unsure. Again, it's just hard to tell sometimes whether that person is really a troll out to deceive.
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Part of the problem is that so many people are in different places regarding their involvement with these groups. Some are still very much involved, others are totally out and recovering, others have recently lost someone to a group and are seething in pain over that, others lost people long ago and are counseling the new folks with pure understanding. It really is difficult to know sometimes
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Well, you aren't someone who came here fresh from The Work, are you? I'm so pissed off by now, civility has gone out the window. JJ, You just did the very thing you are accusing us of doing: defending our lack of civility. Looks like you're on the right board after all! That's a joke, a joke. Anyway, I'm not trying to convince you to stay. Nor am I lecturin
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QuoterrmoderatorTo whom it may concern: Please to be civil and reasonable. There should be no need for anyone to leave due to a lack of civility. Flaming and personal attacks are against the rules. THANK YOU! -jj
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QuotevlindenJJ, I'm saying all these things to you this morning because I don't want you to leave the board. This board is about real life, which is messy and sometimes ugly and angry. The strongest people are the ones who can face that reality. You are a very intelligent and strong person, and I don't think you need to run away from what's being said here on this board. Yo
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QuotevlindenJJ, One of your comments makes me think . . . You say you don't want to hate BK for the rest of your life. You're absolutely right. As as child, I was abused. If I held onto that anger all my life, I would never be able to be free from it. I feel the same way about Byron Katie. I don't want this woman to have a hold over me all my life. I came here to get free, an
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Responding to all of this is quite a task. My responses are in bold. Quotevlindenjj, Because this is actually not a group in any sense of the word, no one is affiliated in any way, it's just a bunch of individuals posting, we really don't have any control over each other. Exactly, we don't have any control over trolls coming in here. So why has so much control over this p
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To whom it may concern: Please to be civil and reasonable. There should be no need for anyone to leave due to a lack of civility. Flaming and personal attacks are against the rules.
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Quotevlindenjj, It's true that being kind, compassionate and understanding is very important, and I understand that you don't want to fight. But in reality, some people do want to fight. You don't have to take part, and you can always offer a more understanding voice if other people are getting hot under the collar. But in truth, I haven't seen anything on this board that e
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.....however, having said all of the above, I recognize (remembering what I have read from experts on this subject), that the more one invalidates their experience, the more resistant they become to what I have to say, the more intrenched they get in their skewed paradigm... i must admit, i do keep forgetting that, so it IS helpful to have people take the opposite approach. I guess I have t
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Quotevlindenjj, I've been reading this board non-stop for over a month, I must have read every single thread on the LGAT site. I've seen numerous incidents of trolls showing up, and I've found it very interesting to see how they operate. For the most part, they sound exactly like Jon Willis. They can be very disruptive, but it seems their one and only intent it is to SOW
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QuoteJon WillisLastly, I've realised that it is time for me to leave this thread - I've learnt a lot in a short space of time, so thank you to all of you. Good luck with your own journeys. Jon Jon, I thought you said on March 3rd or 4th that you were not going to come back to the rickross forum? - Shad
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JJ, I'm saying all these things to you this morning because I don't want you to leave the board. This board is about real life, which is messy and sometimes ugly and angry. The strongest people are the ones who can face that reality. You are a very intelligent and strong person, and I don't think you need to run away from what's being said here on this board. You can influe
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JJ, One of your comments makes me think . . . You say you don't want to hate BK for the rest of your life. A big part of all of these groups, and BK, is how they tell people to deal with feelings of fear, hatred, etc. Obviously, these feelings don't feel good. And of course in the extreme, combined with dysfunction, they can immobilize someone, or ruin their lives. However, as
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