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11 years ago
csp
Correct that the Lectorium is not per se in the typical Rosicrucian stream. It is more closely linked with the Gnostic Christian tradition preceded historically by the Cathars, Bogomils, Manicheans, etc.
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12 years ago
csp
QuoteSweetfaceBecause breathing techniques work and they work fast, very uncomfortable on the ego, but they work. She is one of my happiest moments and she thought it was me. She bowed to me and I told her to stop, and just told her to continue doing the breathing. Response: Again, breathing exercises are dangerous because one is using will power. It temporarily "short circuits" the
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12 years ago
csp
Quote The reason why Tolle is harmful is because it's not true. His experience should be written as a fictional book. He is not falsely accused or misunderstood. He harms people with his book because they get deluded and think it's truth and those people are very hard to live wtih. I think people are finally waking up to his gibberish which to me, is so easy to identify. I have
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12 years ago
csp
CSP: I don't mean to target you or anything, but you seem a little naive, bless your heart. The only way to spot someone is to have a similar experience yourself. I don't have a teaching, but I did research on how to raise kundalini and applied techniques all on my own, but if you read the 'masters' of vedanta like Ramakrishna or other enlightened lives (documentation is h
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12 years ago
csp
Quote: Enlightened individuals would never tell another to not have a practice of some kind if enlightenment was the goal. Response: Not true. One of the greatest spiritual teachers of the 20th century, J. Krishnamurti, supported the same approach. Krishnamurti has stated that there is only one way to achieve a deep, fundamental and permanent change in our personalities, and that is through a
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12 years ago
csp
Quoterrmoderatorcsp: In private messages you have repeatedly stated (twice and counting) that you were unhappy and quitting this message board. You even demanded that your membership be removed. But you keep posting here. Why is that? Why not post whatever you want Shadow to know on this thread publicly rather than through private messaging? He made a personal remark about me, so I
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12 years ago
csp
Hey Shadow (aka Shad) ... clear out your box and I'll send you a private message. :-)
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12 years ago
csp
Thank you for the opportunity for discussion on this subject, but I'm going to have to take a permanent leave of absence from this forum.
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12 years ago
csp
Quote: Does any authoritative Buddhist body recognize Tolle officially regarding anything? Response: A quick search finds that American Buddhist which is dedicated to the furtherance and exploration of American Buddhism (including Canada and Mexico) has promoted Tolle's teachings and lectures.
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12 years ago
csp
QuoteSallieAgain my point is that these books and ideas are for people who are not part of a properly functioning family. Never mind the ''individual'' who clings to these ideas. Show me the happily married mom and dad who are raising many happy and well adjusted children. Is Eckhart Tolle of any help to these fully functioning families? If someone feels that they have found
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12 years ago
csp
QuoteSallieOn a serious note. This is a real question. Let's say I have been diagnosed with cancer and I have two young children and I need to care for them but; I'm struggling with my own needs. The teachings of Tolle will help me HOW? Clearing my mind of all thoughts will feed my children HOW? How does this man's teachings help ME TO help others......oh...wait.....I just remember
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12 years ago
csp
QuoteSallieIf I were to follow the advice of Toll my young children would be neglected and craving attention as I sat smiling and staring into the the abyss. Sounds like he is the typical cult leader. We take his advice in the same way we would take a shot of heroin. Good for me and oh...too bad for the rest of humanity. These are narcissists who sell their own narcissistic tendencies like a dru
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12 years ago
csp
QuoterrmoderatorFirst I deleted your personal remark about me, but then it seemed meaningful to include it. Please understand that attempting to attack me personally doesn't change the facts about Eckhart Tolle, which is the topic of this thread. I was doing quite the opposite. I was defending you. My point was that degrees, academic credentials, etc. are not necessarily a barometer of
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12 years ago
csp
There is no Buddhist authoritative body that certifies "mindfulness" but since the accusation has been made that he does not teach "mindfulness" maybe someone can explain and provide us with facts as to how he is not teaching mindfulness. I can - if anyone would like to know - explain how he does teach "mindfulness" methods. Spiritual or religious knowledge is of
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12 years ago
csp
QuoteThe AnticultBut Eckhart Tolle is NOT teaching Mindfulness, and certainly offers no evidence or scientific proof or studies. But Eckhart Tolle claims he is Enlightened, and he offers no proof for this. He is disconnected from his body, you can see it in his poor posture, and lack of physical vitality.He seems quite unhealthy, bookish, and even sickly. Lastly, the Eckhart Tolle imag
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12 years ago
csp
QuoteChris DalinYou need to take a look at Tolles seminars and interviews before you come here defending someone you obviously have not listened to. How many of Tolles fans do you think have studied Krishnamurti first? BTW csp, you agree with Tolle that the "Ego" is the root of all evil in the world? I've read all of Tolle's books and watched about 10 hours of his vid
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12 years ago
csp
Quote: You have described how Tolle seeks to influence "thinking." Response: Very broad statement. That would include all writers, educators, politicians, etc. who continuosly influence thinking. Quote: It seems rather than Tolle taking people from "a conditioned mind to an unconditioned mind." He is actually manipulating the mind to become conditioned. Response: His
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12 years ago
csp
Mr. Tolle is not diagnosing anyones thinking. He has analyzed the structure and content of the ego and is passing along his insights and experience. Krishnamurti did this, Jesus did this, Buddha did this, Socrates did this, etc. Likewise, Mr. John Kanzius (no college degree), has not diagnosed anyones cancer, but he analyzed the mechanism of cancer combined with his experience with radio waves
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12 years ago
csp
Not everybody gets it right, eh. This description is actually quite the opposite of what Tolle has described in the teaching. Someone who is living in the present would actually be completely engaged with situation, person, activity, etc. A person "not" living in the moment would be disengaged ... living in their mind, past, future, etc. Out of the thousand or maybe millions reading Tol
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12 years ago
csp
QuoteChris DalinQuotecspTolle does not know how to train people. Thats why. He does not even know how he "got there" himself. He doesn't want people to identify too strongly with a technique. Being a "silent observer" of one's thoughts, emotions and will is as close as he gets at a description of the method. If a person has difficulty with this then he recommends
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12 years ago
csp
Quoterrmoderatorcsp: You say Tolle is concerned about "ridding the mind of...thinking" that he considers "obsessive, conditioned, repetitive." What would qualify Tolle to diagnose "thinking"? Seems like he is not qualified to play the role of a mental health professional or as any authority on thinking. It also appears that Tolle is attempting to manipu
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12 years ago
csp
First, Tolle has ... from the beginning ... been very reluctant to train people to a technique. This is very similar to the teaching of Krishnamurti ... and can be one of the frustrating aspects. Tolle, as Krishnamurti, feels that people have the answer inside themselves as to how to best get from A-B. Secondly, Tolle is not telling people to not use the mind or get rid of it. This is a very b
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12 years ago
csp
The weakest aspect to Tolle's teaching is getting people from A-B. This does not mean, however, that he is hypnotizing people. Essentially, he is instructing people to be "mindful" of their thoughts, emotions and will. Observe them objectively and do not counter-act them using your thoughts, emotions and will. This will help lead one to both self-knowledge and being more grounded i
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12 years ago
csp
QuoteThe AnticultHe is NOT enlightened. He might be detached from everything but money and his own Fame, but the dude is NOT enlightened. But he is good at play-acting though. OK. Can you define for us the criteria for genuine enlightenment or give us an example of someone who is enlightened so that we can discern between those that are and are not? Thanks.
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12 years ago
csp
QuoteThe AnticultEckhart Tolle did admit to taking LSD, and he said it was SIMILAR to how he allegedly experiences the world, but not as good. (again no proof, just claims without proof). Ironically, its the HUMAN MIND which is the most interesting thing, and this is what Eckhart Tolle is trying to eliminate. Mr. Tolle did not state that LSD was similar to how he experiences the world. He s
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12 years ago
csp
Quoterrmoderatorcsp: Subjectively "true" for you. And the "correspondence theory of truth" would be likewise subjective. Correct. :-)
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12 years ago
csp
Quoterrmoderatorcsp: You repeatedly use words like "felt" and "feel" to explain yourself and discuss your "experience" as a basis for the opinions you hold about Tolle and in his defense is interesting. This is subjective. People that are true believers in a belief system often subjectively respond in this way. True believers may experience an epiphany, s
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12 years ago
csp
QuotecorboyFor in the atmosphere of reverence around spiritual teachers, their claims to be enlightened and whether enlightenment was permanent or an impermanent state, went unquestioned and uncorrected... Very interesting post ... and in terms of the discussion about Mr. Tolle. The question about his state of consciousness has come up quite a bit from his listeners, readers, etc. His response
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12 years ago
csp
QuoteHugh ManateeAh, so Tolle has taken LSD. "Universal Doctrine" is a tough one for me as his/"the" teaching in many instances has a limited sphere of application. "you want what you haven't got,and you don't want what you have got." says ET in TPON. I know I use extreme examples, but the recent liberation of the Austrian lady from her father's in
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12 years ago
csp
Quoterrmoderatorcsp: You have created definitions that fit your needs. What Tolle preaches is a religious point of view, which is accepted through faith by his followers. If you are not a follower of Tolle you are strangely obsessed with defending him here. At best Tolle represents another "New Age" guru that has managed to composite and repackage old beliefs to market for p
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