Reepicheep Wrote: > > ********************************* > Seriously? Did they just shred The First > Principles, in which JRS called the Catholic > Church the great whore of Babylon? Or did they > edit it down to a toothpick? The pomposity, brazen > egotism and hubris defies belief. Intruder alert > to Papa Francisco and his sheep! Papa is his latest mark
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Reepicheep Wrote: > Changedagain, I believe that Dan Statton may have > also had the law offices taken from his oversight > before he was removed from South Gate. In light of > all the dirty tricks from the Big Trip era being > revealed here on this message board, it seems that > the same playbook has been used again and again in > TLWF. It might be titled, How To Du
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Lily wrote: >Changedagain, your question about who besides Gary was part of his "family?" is >such a good question. It seems Gary was already speaking into existence and >making arrangements for his future family with M. Yes, I think so.
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Cloudwatcher Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > larry bobo Wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------- > > >Someday, the light will shine on Hargrave > > Family Ministries and all will be able to > “follow > > the money”. > > Yes sir. Yes. I always found it peculiar that Hargrave Family Minist
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NickleandDimed Wrote: > John went ahead and removed > Gruenberg. He could have just counseled him. Told > him to end the clique. Instead he removed > Gruenberg. It humiliated Gruenberg. No one thought > he should have been removed. To me, that kind of > discipline was part of the 10% rat poison. Really. Such an uneven, arbitrary way of dealing with people. No wonder t
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Interesting. No doubt John was a drinker. However, I don't think his drinking occurred during the church services (unlike one of my pastors). I suppose if he drank alone, and didn't involve any members of the church, that would be O.K.--according to the principle he apparently applied to Gruenberg. Weird how the years before he died, the culture obviously changed, at least in some o
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Reepicheep Wrote: > That was my impression too, changedagain. From my > experience, I would venture a guess that more > former leaders were shown the door or put on the > back burner for crossing the wrong person (JRS, > G&M, et. al.) than for harming sheep. Yes, no doubt about it.
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I didn't know Craig well, but the impression I had of him based on relatively few encounters was that he operated from a place of integrity. Maybe what John was referring to as socializing, was just someone allowing himself to be accessible.
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Tknc Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I can personally attest that my parents, even > though they left right before JRS died, held onto > all the words spoken over them. They reiterated to > me my whole life how I was blessed by the brothers > and a word was spoken over me giving me special > access to God. They are still carrying on the &
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Reepicheep Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I don't know how many times I went home from church > feeling like a failure after the sermon (word). > Somehow, it was never G&M's error for not being > clear. It was that the people totally misconstrued > what they had said. Good times! Yes, the Word is always perfect. The blame
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Reepicheep Wrote: > I think that you are exactly right about this, > lily rose. I've been thinking of some reasons for > members and former members to feel that it is > blasphemy to question JRS or his teaching. > > •First of all, he was a larger-than-life > personality. > •He could hold a large sanctuary of people > spellbound. > •He had the abilit
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puddington Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- puddington Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I recall hearing in LW services, teachings about > the “unforgivable sin”, i.e. blaspheming the Holy > Spirit. It was said that to deny that Christ was > coming forth in his people was equivalent to > blaspheming the Holy Spi
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corboy Wrote:------------------------------------------------------- > Two new members have joined the discussion: > > Reepicheep and TheycalledmeJonah. > > Attention given to A will distract from what our > new members can share. Yes
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Reepicheep Wrote: > You can believe whatever you like about JRS, but > that doesn't make it true. Many people who post on > this topic here have seen their families torn > apart and destroyed. A daughter posted about > reading her mother's diary after she had passed > away, and of the terrible things that she had gone > through. People lost their life sa
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seventies walker Wrote: ------- > We were all deceived and living a lie. > Fond memories of the good times do not change > the facts. True
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acesandates Wrote: > God bless, brother...be well. Thanks
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Welcome theycalledmeJonah. You're making bold and necessary decisions in your life. Feel free to express yourself in this forum. And if you want to become a "F*cking musician"--that is your choice I would not recommend you naming your band 'F*cking Musicians,'however, but again, that is up to you :)
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acesandates Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > All this bellyaching about the Apostolic ministry > of John Robert Stevens. Regrets that you opened > yourselves to the charismatic ecstasy of the > living word flowing through him back then, > especially in the late 60s and early 70s. Yes, many of us did open up to the charismatic ego of one Joh
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NickleandDimed Wrote: > The brainwashing by the LW to keep > people silent was effective then and today. To > speak out here does take courage. We don't always > mince words either. We shouldn't mince words about > a movement that was so destructive. John would quote scripture to justify his hold on people's lives, and thwart those who might question him. Ma
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NickleandDimed Wrote: > at least in the Catholic Church they have a published > list. Of things that will get you excommunicated. > In the LW. They make it up as they go along. Keeping people confused about what God is up to (my ways are not your ways) fosters insecurity, which in turn, strengthens dictatorial leadership. At this point, I don't think there is any consiste
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Reepicheep Wrote: > Puddington mentioned the "Rebellion is as > witchcraft" mantra. It reminded me of a situation > in about 1970. I don't know the names or > specifics, but I was told by a ministry high in > the Walk leadership that a Blix girl ran away with > her boyfriend. This ministry said that very soon > afterwards, the two died in a car crash.
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Glory Days...I think Springsteen wrote a song about it :)
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Reepicheep: Changedagain, did Gary make a huge deal about not celebrating Christmas when he was your pastor? Just curious. I don't recall him making a big deal about it. The main focus was on the violent intercession for the apostle, and the judgement of his enemies. Martha was identified as the nephilim during one of our special services. That stuck in my mind. No matter how many times
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Reepicheep Wrote: > Back to the not feeling guilty part, Gary once > said something to the effect of, "When someone > leaves the fellowship, why do they have to > criticize and speak negatively? Why can't the just > say, 'I don't want to do this anymore' and leave?" Of course, this question can be turned around and phrased this way--'Wh
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I did not know this. Thanks for sharing the bit of walk history, dbc. BTW, I had a falling out with my father (biological, not John) over my refusal to celebrate Christmas in the late 70's...based on walk teaching. It was all so unnecessary. And now, of course, the Christmas truck experience is one of the highlights for the fellowship--at least in the L.A. area. dbc Wrote: --------
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Now, that is a major error on my part, Lily. I keep telling myself...read your comments before posting them! And yet I don't make it a habit. Maybe this will teach me a lesson. lily rose Wrote: > changedagain I think you meant to say I "didn't" > believe they were Christ? > > "BTW, I have to admit that I was never able to > o gaze > into
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Great list, Reepicheep. I'm sure it can be expanded. Something to think about today. BTW, I have to admit that I was never able to gaze into another person's eyes and sing to them as though they were Christ in the flesh. I think the root of the problem was that I did believe they were Christ, nor I. It was an obstacle I could never really overcome. It feels good, though, finally admi
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Reepicheep Wrote: > Not to worry, TLWFers, you may not get to see your > families during the holidays, but you now have > Hannukah as well as The Magical Christmas Caroling > Truck! Wait, I thought they were going Catholic. > Now it's back to Jewish. I can't keep up!!! If they would like to add a Mormon holiday I would suggest Pioneer Day. It is celebrated on J
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lily rose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I told my Mom I did not want to go to the > Christmas party because it wouldn't please God. > She got angry. My family did not see these pagan > holidays as pagan. The pendulum has swung from dismissing Christmas as a pagan holiday to supporting the Christmas truck as a way of ministering to weal
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Reepicheep Wrote: > Bob McClane never did anything to deserve that type of treatment. He was treated cruelly--I can attest to that. > Another instance of "Let the random beatings begin!" Idea for a church sign? ha
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