GoingRogue Wrote: > That right there is what was always missing for me > while in this group. A personal relationship with > Jesus. What's the point of studying the Bible and > trying to please the leaders? If the end result is > not knowing Jesus, it kind of missed the whole > point. The Christ in the Flesh doctrine perpetuated in TLWF replaced a relationship wi
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Lily: "I think you are probably right changedagain. There has been so much member conditioning and programming that has occurred over the years. But maybe, just maybe for someone who is having second thoughts about Gary's sincerity in perpetuating JRS's charade about being God's remnant to bring forth judgment and the kingdom, maybe it will be a tipping point for them to jump
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GoingRogue Wrote: > Because anyone who thinks that someone other than Hargrave FM owns > or has any say over the corporation is certainly mistaken. Yes--thinking otherwise is delusional.
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girls_turn_it_off Wrote: "It will be interesting to see how the congregation will respond or whether there will be a wedding." I think people understand that they have no choice but to accept the marriage as the will of God, a requirement if they are to remain in good standing within the fellowship. There was a significant purge after John and Marilyn got married, after Gary and Ma
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GoingRogue Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Do other churches have a bar? Not sure, just > checking. That alone should give TLWF a competitive edge against other churches. I think they need to be more aggressive in getting the word out. "Our church has a bar. Does yours?" (possible church sign)
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You're very clear-eyed and courageous, TheycalledmeJonah. Much more than I was while attempting to separate from the cult. Hopefully the mind-control spell over your good friend will break...and he'll not see your leaving as a betrayal, but as an example of what he should do to get free. TheycalledmeJonah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > P
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Leadership would often be involved in arranging marriages (mine was arranged), and then when one spouse is deemed disloyal (to leadership, of course), directly or indirectly bringing an end to the marriage. Little or no regard is given to the collateral damage it causes.
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Reepicheep Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ? I agree
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GoingRogue Wrote: > Wow! The biggest question is, "Where were the > thundering herds, uh, I mean adoring throngs of LW > Walkers to greet the G-man at LAX?" Ha--yes, that is the question!
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girls_turn_it_off wrote: *** Just take a second and imagine Gary in a shepherd shirt and loafers sipping a glass of champagne paid for by APCO support tithes *** I'll meditate on this image today and get back to you. My initial feeling is that he has been under a great deal of stress, especially after "drinking the cup," and is doing everything he can to unwind so to better se
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second correction: Caroline, not Carolyn. My wife and I knew her as Carol. We left Redlands in '89...and the church shut down a few years later.
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"hospital" oops...meant hospitable.
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Received the sad news yesterday that Carolyn Eckstrom passed away last Sunday night. Carolyn was a part of the Redlands church for many years while I was there. A very sweet lady. She and her husband (Danny) were very supportive and hospital to me and my family while were going through some very difficult times. I never forgot that. RIP Carol
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GoingRogue Wrote: > Thanks for the links, FactoverFiction. Shiloh U > sounds like more of a scam than the old-fashioned > KB means used to "take over the financial realm". > Still only benefitting the guy at the top...using > and abusing volunteers or near-volunteers. The > difference? Selling the "product" (which is of > highly dubious value) to
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Excellent post, Tknc. FWIW, I think the Walk started going bad sometime in 1951. Tknc Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for pulling up JezTheBelle's post, not sure > when she wrote it, but it is still very relevant. > From my perspective, trying to pinpoint where it > went 'astray,' or became a cult is irrelevant. > I
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larry bobo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I was just listening to a pastor from Brazil speak > to a small group of men. He was asked, “What is > the greatest obstacle you currently face?” I was > surprised to hear that it was overcoming the > spiritual abuse inflicted by evangelical > Christians. I knew Brazilian politics and the >
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I hope by utilizing this forum you will find a connection with people who lived through what you did. NancyB. NancyB Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > kj5fers > > I know this is an old post. Reaching out anyway. I > would like to connect with old timers in > particular. Not for gossip. We all need closure.
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Wow--these are very powerful allegations, NancyB. I have no knowledge of these churches during that time period, so can not weigh in one way or another on what you wrote. Well, except the prevalence in the Walk/TLWF of 'encouraging' church members to provide free service/labor to leadership...that I can certainly vouch for.
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jhorning Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > “Lions don’t care about the opinions of sheep.” > Sheriff Israel, Broward County Sheriffs Office > > Kind’a sums up the leadership attitude of the > living word church. Yeah, we each have our values. Here's an excerpt about someone who emphasizes cleanliness & outward beauty above most oth
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TheycalledmeJonah Wrote: > Last year, after attending one of these services, > I was asked by my pastor my thoughts on the > service. I wanted to be honest. "It was a really > long presentation and I lost interest pretty > quickly, to be honest." His response was "You > fucking millennials have such short attention > spans." So then I went back t
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puddington Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > GTIO. Welcome to the RR forum. I love your screen > name. And wow, I remember that slut-shameing > message that Marilyn brought to the YASPers. So > messed up. Yes. Between that are her crusade to kill the "male spirit" in the early 90's...it's been a helluva psychopathic roller
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Welcome girls-turn-it-off (GTIO) Thanks for posting. Feel free to join in the conversation.
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dbc wrote: > The Apostle to the Kingdom couldn't take a dump at > Shiloh without having to lay hands on those who > wanted a blessing, let alone walk across a room > without a clamoring crowd following him. And in > spite of my elevated position I never got a sniff > at the back room or a casual chat. Position thinking, something John railed against (hypocriticall
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dbc Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > A few years after i was given the "right foot of > fellowship" I traveled to see a highly regarded > apostolic ministry in action. After the service he > walked across the room unimpeded by acolytes, > talked to me briefly and invited me into a side > room for a private chat. I was floored. The
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unidentified zealot wrote: > I keep track of posts on the Rick Ross Forum. Last > month your wife began posting and published her > name in the profile section. Her name is not there > now. I made a copy of her profile when her name > was visible. My job is to give it to Kevin when > Gary returns from Brazil. > I liked you _________. If you can get your wife to > s
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It's funny how the milking of the members through slave/servant labor wasn't even what offended me as much as the demeaning messages Gary would deliver to the fellowship. No matter how much people slaved, much to his personal benefit, it apparently was still not pleasing the heavenly father--according to "the word." Anyway, I finally woke up to this obvious abuse and separat
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Reepicheep, My wife and I have both been on the receiving end of threats that originated with Gary, and they're nothing to take lightly. I thank you for your courage in speaking truth on this forum, but if you decide to withdraw, I completely understand. You and your husband's safety is paramount.
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Reepicheep Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > changedagain Wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------- > > That list is stunning. > > I agree, changedagain. Do you remember the name of > the Redlands Church and the approximate date it > was sold? Originally Ramah Chapel. I left in 1989...and I believe it was s
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That list is stunning.
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Tknc Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Rebellion is as witchcraft after all. The founding fathers were a coven, I guess. Hadn't thought of it that way.
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