paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Anybody Facebook friends with Gary Hargrave? Ha! Friends? I thought he only accepted followers!
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It's that time of year again. Interesting how the > Living Word name is completely sanitized from this > web page: > > I think there's a strong possibility that the Christmas truck tradition could actually outlast the churches. A bit peculiar...since John seemed repulsed by the celebrati
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I guess it's ok to pray for the downfall (or > death) of a candidate, you just can't tell your > congregants how to vote. I would think the death prayer would give a hint to the congregation of what direction the ministry is leaning...
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Bless you Timothy123!
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I hope what I'm about to write is not an indication that my ministry has become obsolete... DEATH TO FRANKLIN DELANO ROOSEVELT!!!
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Happy Thanksgiving Everyone! I'm thankful this discussion group exists, and although we have our disagreements, not one of us...to my knowledge...has prayed for the death of another. That's progress. Have a good one!
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I did some research yesterday, and came across this detailed description of Frosty the Snowman (FTS) in a This Week: "Frosty the Snowman was a jolly happy soul with a corncob pipe and a button nose and two eyes made out of coal." --'Melting in His Presence' by John Robert Stevens.
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It's in my heart to create my own parade, but the skills are not there. Kudos to Rick.
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larry bobo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It’s interesting to me how many people’s lives > have turned out for the better after they were no > longer under the oppression of TLWF – even > without God’s help - just doing common sense > things that were neglected for so many years. Yes--so true.
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lily rose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Changedagain, > I salute you for thinking about the retired > pastors, and there are most likely many little > people who served for many years not as leaders > but as sheep and they possibly struggle > financially too in their retirement. Thanks > > The Hargraves also have a coupl
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Perhaps I have an attitude given that I was one of the ones that helped maintain one of their LA homes, now sold, on a volunteer basis while living just above the poverty line. Doing O.K. now...you know, once I started putting a bit of emphasis on my own life. What a novel concept. It only took me 21 years for that to sink through! p.s. BTW, did Gary ever change his mind, and grant Miller h
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Only the wealthy shepherds get to stay in place. > If you don't have your own non-LW nest egg, you > are forced into retirement and off the support > funds. I think this has happened to most 2nd > generation pastors like: Lindy, Miller, Forbes, > Sayers, Dempster. Etc, etc. Meanwhile, wha
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From a former long-time member of TLWF: "If we hadn't left when I was 40, we would have no home equity, no savings, and no Social Security because for sure they move out the older people for the younger, more compliant shepherds."
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Yes, Saw Enough. I think if people have to weigh everything they write in light of whether it will offend, rather than the message it is trying to convey, it will facilitate self-censorship, and likely dissuade new posters from wanting to participate. This forum will soon be lifeless. In TLWF the continuous admonition to "have a right spirit/check your spirit" was often used to suppre
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I reread paleface's post (below), and found it reasonable and not offensive...given the subject he is addressing. Knowing the poster personally, I'm aware that he is not mean-spirited, and is motivated to help people that are trapped in situations that seem hopeless. I think his admonition to "wake up" (do independent research, don't swallow everything given to you etc.)
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LampShmamp Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So I take it the Lamp has two adult children. One is gay and the > other is some sort of sexual predator, if that is > not too strong of a term. And she prefers the > predator. Wow. I suppose the Lamp's attitude is an indication of how much God hates gays. I'm so relieved I was not bo
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That said, if people here know of instances where John allowed himself to be corrected by other ministries (peers), please come forward. My exposure to his ministry was only seven years or so...limited.
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- I think one simple criteria to determine whether something is a cult, or has the potential to become a cult, is whether the leader(s) allow others to monitor their ministry. John was fiercely independent, even when preaching the need for the people to relinquish their individuality. To many people, including myself at the t
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Just noticed that the trash can in the kitchen is knocked over, and it will take me at least ten minutes to clean everything up. I'm really tired and shouldn't have to face this reality late at night... I've changed my mind about my dog. He's not great after all. Please disregard the previous comment about him being some big solution in my life.
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I love my dog. He's helped me get through a lot of things...mainly because he doesn't seem to give a sh*t about the pressures of the day. At least that's the vibe he gives off. In fact, I think he very well could be the embodiment of Matthew 6:34:"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own."
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I like how to how this forum discussion started out. The very first post begins with a seemingly innocuous question: "Is anyone familiar with this movement?" 108 pages later...HA
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lily rose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Paleface, thanks for pointing that out. I dug a > little deeper into some of the psychologist's > thoughts on RTS and came across one victim's > complaint that seemed to border on the > ridiculous..."rapture anxiety." I don't thing > anyone in our little cult has that affl
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FCSLC Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I’m quite confident TLWF leadership has > “secret formulas” useful in group settings to > generate a general psychic/spiritual assault on > the target. It usually involves programs people are put on isolate and/or humiliate them to a great extent. One of my experiences was being demoted from a shepherd (7 y
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Marilyn thinks of herself as a > lioness protecting her young. Not sure what spirit animal I am. Perhaps some combination of fox, bunny rabbit and basset hound. Haven't really given it much thought.
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Just to clarify, before it gets too tense on this board, that I accept every woman spirit, male spirit, Jezebel, Anak etc. that posts here...assuming they, at some time in their life, are willing to submit to me. I guess I have just mellowed with age.
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > A lot of men were told that they had "male > spirits" too. Often these were the men who > refused to worship Marilyn. In many cases, wives > were designated as the head of the family, as a > way to kill the male spirit. This happens when the > wife is more loyal to G&M than the husba
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > On the subject of molestation, which you > referenced...I seemed to recall a frequent poster > mentioning on Factnet that he had been molested > repeatedly in his youth by a pastor, written to > John about it clarification: John Stevens.
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lily rose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Yea, I have fond memories of Miller too. Those > militant lyrics he gave to some of our favorite > rock and role songs. Can't get them out of my > head. Never liked any of that, Lily--and thankfully none of them have been in my head since I left!
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Well, I don't think he was in it for the money...and I figure the pension that was withheld from him (assuming that decision still stands) could have made his latter years a bit more comfortable. Meanwhile, the Hargraves have the maintenance of million dollar properties to worry about. Oh, the pressure! WE LOOSE THE FINANCES FOR MOM AND DAD!!!
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On the subject of molestation, which you referenced...I seemed to recall a frequent poster mentioning on Factnet that he had been molested repeatedly in his youth by a pastor, written to John about it, and nothing was done. This particular person is extremely credible to me, so I don't doubt it happened. But whether John actually received the letter, read it, and then chose to ignore/bury i
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