My last post for a while. I do not want to hog the forum. I'll take off about a week or two. I just wanted to add, that my friend that I am referring to is just as intelligent as he ever was. The people in the Walk are intelligent people, there are professionals of all sorts, lawyers, doctors, all sorts of skilled craftsmen. The problem is not intelligence. The human mind has the capacit
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I was being a little sarcastic, or at least, satirical when I compared marriage checkouts with animal husbandry. By the way, you could certainly add arranged marriages to that, I had forgotten those. But if you really think about it, how much concern did the "shepherds" have for the happiness of the "sheep" when they decided who should marry who? In animal husbandry, the OWNER
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There is one thing in Living Word Fellowship that does make very good sense. That is the marriage check outs. Read below: Animal husbandry is the management and care of farm animals by humans for profit, in which genetic qualities and behavior, considered to be advantageous to humans, are further developed. The term can refer to the practice of selectively breeding and raising livestock to pro
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I think I might have said this before, but, about my last post, I decided I would do a little walk talk. That was sort of the way the life was, just getting into a bunchy of prayer and concern about nothing, and letting important things just go by. I was thinking about when my sons went to a "kingdom school." When the Jonestown suicide happened, two of my sons were in the next state in
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I was trying to decide yesterday whether to have spaghetti or chili. I sought the Lord as best as I could but I needed a shepherd to guide me. I called com-central but the ole number that I had didn’t work, so I tried ComWest, Apco, I tried it all and I couldn’t get anybody. After a few hours, it started raining, and then I knew that John’s spirit was Parousia. Then it came to me, just the
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Just take a quick look at this little paragraph and compare this to Living Word Fellowship. I know that John is the spiritual father to many, and that Gary and Marilyn are the spiritual mother and father to many, and of course in the Living Word, they need shepherds, oh yea, they gotta have the OK from the shepherds,,Well here goes, let's see if the one that said this has enough authority to
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John McArthur has a video on Youtube where he plainly says that Christians can take the mark of the beast without ill effects, which is totally opposite of what the bible says. I would imagine that idea comes from the predestination, no loss of salvation TULIP theology of the Calvinists. That video can be seen on Youtube, just type in "Youtube: John McArthur says Chistians can take mark of
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I have been told that I am like the people that expose cults, as if that were bad thing. But the thing is, I respected John Stevens as much as anybody did, however, i did not think that he could not be wrong, and I did not think that he could not sin. I am doing this because it is time that people analyze what he taught with the bible as the judge to see if it is correct. Even people that are alr
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1st Timothy 5:21-23 I'll use New American Standard bible, as that is the only one that John used. We'll talk about that some too at some point. What I am doing all of this for is to let people take a real look at what was taught, and see if it stacks up with the bible. John Robert Stevens said on more than one occasion that the bible is the plumbline, and what is taught has to line up
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The word Parousia, we all know what we were told, it mean that Christ would return, spiritually in the church, and the tongue in cheek hint was, that was the ONLY way that He would return. Well, let's look that up: New Testament The word is used 24 times in the New Testament.[12] Of these, six uses refer to the coming of individuals: Stephanas, Fortunatus, and Achaicus (1Co.16:17), Titu
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Romans 8:19...that's where the whole idea comes from, the manifestation of the sons of God. Now I have been studying the bible quite a bit lately, with that concept in mind, and I can not for the life of me, find anything, anywhere, about the end time, that even hints that the people that understand that one scripture, I said that ONE scripture to mean that there will be anybody that enters
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jhorning Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > My name is John Horning. I attended Coniah Chapel, > Sepulveda, and Grace Chapel of Phoenix. I am no > longer part of TLWF. I was booted out in 1984 when > I voiced opposition to Gary and Marilyn's > marriage. Anyone care to talk? Just to answer a very old post. Jhorning, you and everybody el
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Lily Rose, that is a good post. I said in my last post that I won't pray for the leaders of Living Word any more, because I don't beat the heavens with constant intercession for anybody any more, that is just some witchy thing to do, in my oppinion. I mean, I prayed, i meant it, it is up to them now. But on second thought, as I said, that Jezebel thing does not repent, not at all,
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I would imagine that when or if the word went out from Marilyn for everybody in the outer churches to move there, the people that felt like there was something to continue, when the leaders of those churches crawled out to her to serve her, I imagine if they were not just fed up with the mind games of the outer churches too, they all went to church somewhere, or served God after a while of recove
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Actually, if I were to stand up and start interceding for the pastor of that church I go to when I want to, if I started giving him that sort of adoration and praise and worship, I think he would call all the other pastors and elders together around me and cast out the demon. I don't know any other church that would put up with that, it would be like the woman that was following Paul and who
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Well, tomorrow is Sunday morning. Sometimes I think about standing up right in the middle of things and start screaming "we just bind Satan and speak that you are THE kingdom apostle, and we loose you to bring forth a pure word that we may automatically walk in every level of yada yada..." Then, if they don't throw me out, if they just let me sit back down, every time he says an
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Apostle Dog Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I heard a really good song tonight. I usually > like Christian music very much, but this one is > really good I think. Google: Youtube; December > Radio find you waiting (with lyrics) Correction, I usually DON'T like Christian music very much. I've gotta start editing these things befo
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Paleface, I might be answering your question of the week more than once, this is the second time I am answering it, the first answer didn't show up. But yes, I knew the Walk was a cult, about the time of the divorce and the marriage to Marilyn, and really even before when all, and I mean ALL of the discussion in the church was John, John, John's spirit, how it rained every time John sho
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I heard a really good song tonight. I usually like Christian music very much, but this one is really good I think. Google: Youtube; December Radio find you waiting (with lyrics)
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Paleface, I knew the Walk was cultish, in the people were worshiping a man, I knew that from the start, but I didn't really think that JRS was all into it at first. I knew for sure there was a serious flaw when JRS married Marilyn, and she started talking on the tapes, I knew for sure that if he would marry her he had no decernment. It all came together, anybody that would make sermons like
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FCSLC, I really enjoy your posts as well, in fact, I enjoy all of you guys, I think we are having some pretty healthy conversations. You are right, church hopping is certainly no sin, I don't go around looking for a church with a pastor that agrees with me a hundred percent and tells me how anointed I am, I look for messages that challenge me and enlighten me, if they don't I go to the
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I have been to several functions, like Christmas parties, funerals, different things, with people from different churches, people that once were members of a church together, but have moved on. They are all still friends, good friends for life, it's an atmosphere that is totally different from the way it was under the oppression of being on the "cutting edge" of the kingdom. It
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You know, about three years ago I was going to one church and decided to stop going there and starting attending another church a few miles away. I still see people from the church that I quit going to, and when I do, we talk and have a good time with one another. That is the difference in going to a church and belonging to a cult, with Walk people they have to go through the mumbo jumbo of "
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Lily Rose, false shepherds are wolves in sheep's clothing. It's a really sad thing but in many churches the enemy is the one behind the pulpit. And the one that is married to the man behind the pulpit. There are true Judas and Jezebels in the church itself. That is why you must align yourself with the right ministry. Lots of them sound good, lots of false shepherds make the people feel
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Perhaps it is better for the older members to just sit there and never experience freedom. Sad thing, to me, for people to sit in such bondage and the whole time think they are free. It sort of reminds me of the propaganda films shown in North Korea, where their citizens see movies about American people starving and eating their family pets. To me, it's a horrible thing to believe a lie.
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I have heard from reliable sources that Gary Hargrave is not the first one in leadership that Marilyn approached to marry her after John died. It seems that at the time, a woman would have a problem being the main authority at Living Word Fellowship, or that is my guess anyway. There was a huge power struggle there and I would not be surprised if God didn’t just blow on the whole thing and ha
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Apostle Dog Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I also think that perhaps Gary Hargrave acts as > a > > buffer somewhat, a stabilizer for Marilyn in > some > > ways. > > Gary as a stabilizer--that's a frightening > thought.
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lily rose wrote > > __________________________________________________ > ______ > > > > For me the blood moons were something to awe at. > And since they occurred consecutively on four > Jewish feasts with the most recent visible from > Israel, I like to think that maybe the blood moon > tetrad was visible from the Heavens to Jerusalem > to sh
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I also think that perhaps Gary Hargrave acts as a buffer somewhat, a stabilizer for Marilyn in some ways. If it were just her in charge of everything, there would possible be another situation like Jonestown or Heavens Gate.
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The CD I got was about marriage, but I really can't get a lot out of it so far. It's lots of walk talk. Now, I have to say that on the CD JRS is dedicating two babies, they would be 33 years old now by the way. One is named Jeremy, a week old in 1982, the other is named JoHanna, 20 weeks old. Again, lots of walk talk about the 4th generation, and how Marilyn was getting all into marrie
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