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16 years ago
DayDreamer
It seems that the upcoming Level 1 has been canceled due to a lack of Participants. That’s a great start!! Hopefully the other levels will have the same problem and we’ll be able to shut down HAI Midwest.
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 years ago
DayDreamer
HAI offers the workshops about love, intimacy and sexuality... but they don't tell you that they gloss over REAL love and intimacy in order to get to their true agenda - sex. It takes TIME to truly love someone. It's simply ridiculous to believe that you can love all people equally and SHOULD love all people equally, including the stranger on the street and your spouse. Going to a
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16 years ago
DayDreamer
QuotesiofraFrom my experience. I can tell you that the majority of participants are proactive in discussing their workshop participation with their partners before the weekend. By looking at all the possibilities for what might occur in a sexuality workshop, the couples agree on boundaries which will be honored by the participating partner. Siofra See, I don't believe this. Because people
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16 years ago
DayDreamer
QuotesiofraTwo things which might be of use to this discussion - 1) I have been told by a facilitator that Stan was heavily involved in the design of Level 8 and, 2) having attended the first Level 8 workshop, it has very little in common with the assumptions posted on this thread. Like all personal growth workshops (HAI and others), level 8 will be a very good match for some people and not f
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 years ago
DayDreamer
QuoteSeekingTruthInteresting that Level 8 (and its implied full blown group sex) only made an appearance after the death of HAI gheru Stan Dale. I bet he and his first wife are turning in their graves. I wouldn't be surprised if Level 8 was in the works while he was still alive. The entire organization was founded by Stan Dale, and I don't think anything was done without his approval
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 years ago
DayDreamer
16 years ago
DayDreamer
QuoteHaiCuriousHi Daydreamer, Thanks for the information. That's much more than I was expecting or that I'd be comfortable with. It's good that you're telling me that level 1 is within the limits of what I'm willing to experiment. I'll probably give it a try and see how it goes. Thanks a lot Hello again Just as an FYI, you end up nude during Level 1 on th
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 years ago
DayDreamer
HaiCurious... you'd probably enjoy a level 1. You would NOT want to go further than that. You are encouraged and directed to, as part of the workshop, KISS THE GENITALS of a person of the same sex. You are also encouraged and directed to inspect the genitals of the same gender and the opposite gender. The entire group is practically founded on the idea of secrecy. You're not supp
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 years ago
DayDreamer
I know I'm bringing this topic back up, but I just received the HAI newsletter and it mentions the new Level 8 workshop in detail. It is definitely one where sexual acts will be performed upon and among multiple people, with techniques demonstrated and discussed. Of course you're always "at choice" but naturally they will be encouraging you to make the "right"
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 years ago
DayDreamer
I don't care about the "christian morals" since not everyone is a christian or wants to be (myself included). In fact, I resent people trying to push their religious beliefs onto the rest of the world. However, I am not at all surprised about what is planned for Level 8. They have shown from the very beginning that they group's beliefs are that casual group sex is fine, m
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 years ago
DayDreamer
I KNEW that people involved in HAI are being groomed for group sexual activity, and that makes me even more convinced. I'm glad I escaped when I did. I know some people who are still very involved and completely brainwashed. Sad really. Makes me wonder.... what is it that makes these people so convinced that devoting your life to ONE person isn't a good thing? To me, the fact tha
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 years ago
DayDreamer
Well, I'm the one who did two HAI workshops, and I am firmly convinced that the ultimate goal is group sex. They make you agree to keep everything confidential. Supposedly it's because they don't want to scare newbies from doing the "hard work" involved in this therapeutic endeavor. Bull. I think it's because they don't want you to go in knowing th
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 years ago
DayDreamer
QuotecorboyWhat you choose to wear is your own business. And if your decision to stay clothed was 'noticed'---could you tell us about what this 'noticed' consisted of? The honest thing would've been to state up front that it would be (or become!) a clothing optional event. That way someone could make an informed decision ahead of time whether its something for them.
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 years ago
DayDreamer
With HAI, we were not sleep deprived, really. Well, I was, but only because I have such difficulty sleeping anywhere but home. We DID go to bed somewhat later than I do at home, but that was expected. The environmental issue that *I* noticed was the temperature. Even in November, it was VERY VERY warm in the room. I believe they did that deliberately, so as to increase the subtle press
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 years ago
DayDreamer
There are several group leaders, all of whom have the same sort of training. This particular group wants to change your neuronal pathways for a reason - they DO have an agenda. I think their agenda is grooming the participants for group sex, among other things. It sickens me. QuoteReality 2 by 4This is a method of breaking you down psychologically. Manson did this same thing to ne
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 years ago
DayDreamer
One of the women who was an intern for HAI Midwest died last weekend. She was only in her late 40s (I am guessing), and was truly a wonderful person. Although I am NOT by any means involved with HAI anymore, I can honestly say that she will be missed by many. Rest in peace, Leigh.
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 years ago
DayDreamer
Well, the founder of HAI, Stan Dale, died the other day after a long battle with cancer. His passing could mean a LOT of changes for the organization, but I doubt it. I'm sure the abusive and coercive nature of some of the "powers that be" will not change. Too bad.
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 years ago
DayDreamer
QuotejdshevelQuoteS_Byers666Should I take my own trusted condoms on a level 1 weekend? What about levels 2 / 3 et al? You are ALWAYS at choice. If you choose to have sex, it will NOT be during the workshop sessions. If you choose to have consensual sex with another person during the weekend, the right thing to do is to be safe. Jeff / NJ Gee... the "right" thing to do, and th
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 years ago
DayDreamer
I don't know about with PSI, but it wouldn't surprise me. My experience is with HAI (Human Awareness Institute, there's a thread on it). I've only attended levels 1 and 2 with HAI, but I've heard that intercourse actually does occur at higher levels. Although it's not specifically said for you to actually do it, sexuality is encouraged. For those of us like m
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17 years ago
DayDreamer
No, the "love" isn't withdrawn. At least, it doesn't seem to be. To me, however, the "love" itself seems faked, forced, and otherwise false. If it's not REAL love in the first place, then it doesn't really matter. I'm sorry, but I do NOT believe that anyone can truly feel love for another person until after time is spent getting to truly know
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
DayDreamer
Which is exactly why I am no longer involved. QuoteS_Byers666 So is HAI a cult - it cetainly seems so?
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
DayDreamer
Well, you already know that to ME, cheating is cheating is cheating. You can wrap it up in pretty words if you like, and it's still the same thing and NEVER acceptable. To me, there's no such thing as ethical non-monogamy. It's pointless to be married to one person while having "relationships" (or just 'relations') with others. That cheapens the marriage t
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
DayDreamer
Yes, we definitely are polar opposites on monogamy. I personally believe that being poly is trying to rationalize cheating. If one cannot be monogamous, then one should not marry. Seems simple enough.
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
DayDreamer
I know... there's very little feedback at ALL about HAI. And I find that to be rather disturbing. QuoteS_Byers666Yes - but there is not a lot of positive reports on the web or newsgroups either. Again this is strange. I would have thought that if the workshops really are that great then folk would be shouting from the tree tops. Bearing in mind how long HAI has been going there's
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
DayDreamer
Actually, when I first got involved with HAI I tried to find something on the internet that was a negative review. I couldn't find anything other than those opinions you posted... and I believe that one man is disturbed. But it concerns me that there are no truly negative reviews other than that. There SHOULD be. There's no way that every single person was oh-so-happy with HAI. T
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
DayDreamer
I've specifically been told that intercourse DOES occur at the higher levels. And you're right, they never tell you to actually have sexual contact with anyone in the workshop setting. However, when you're caressing the nude body of another person... the touch can be and often IS sexual. This is the very reason I'm convinced that people who are in HAI are being groome
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
DayDreamer
Blueridgebaby – I only attended levels 1 and 2, and I have no intention of going any further with the workshops. Level 1, I think I needed. But Level 2 slid in sneakily – while at the time, the exercises were uncomfortable but made sense, afterward they did not. I needed a lot of time to process what had occurred, and once I did, I realized that I’d never feel completely safe at a workshop
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
DayDreamer
Well, at this point I am intending to attend the HAI Formal in February. It sounds like a great time, and I want the opportunity to dress up like mad. Of course, there are some people still involved with the HAI community that I do enjoy, so hopefully I'll see them. QuotesiofraDaydreamer- I am sorry to hear about your loss and wish you many blessings in the next chapter of your life.
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
DayDreamer
Lately I've been tempted to get back into activities with HAI. Diashto and I are no longer together. He moved out in early December. I think that this is the very scenario that HAI preys upon. Loneliness, self doubt and feeling like love is lacking. Needless to say, I'm NOT going to go back - but I have been tempted. Yuck.
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
DayDreamer
Having taken a survey from HAI, I was surprised to read that there were so many people who were uncomfortable with certain aspects - I was relieved to learn that I am not the only one.
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