It souns horrible what you have hone thru. I am so sorry. What did the Women Within say when you told them what happened in your marriage. Did they know your husband was in MKP? IMO, often MKP actually encourages a man to mistreat his family. I believe MKP very subtley encourages complete disrespect of women. There are many women here that can at least offer verbal support. I hope you conti
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help us, you are right. However, I have now developed an "I do not really give a sh*t" attitude. I can have that attitude because my husband did not stay involved with them. I know we are identifiable from my postings. And the local group here is a really big one. Margie, you have an awful amount on your plate. I have dealt with a great deal of tragedy with my youngest son (19) and d
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Margie, if you will take the time and read this entire thread, you will really learn about MKP, from many different perspectives. I know this is a lot of reading, but from what you are describing is going on, you need all the knowledge you can possibly get. I will, as will others here, try to answer any questions you might have. However, each MKP lodge may operate a little differently, so m
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Moderator, what is DDOS? If I am reading this correct, you think there might be a possibility that someone from MKP was behind the problems with the site? I do not know if they were, but nothing would surprise me from that group. Please all the people favorable to MKP, I said "might be a possibility". Duncacs, I would respond to your post, however, it is just not worth the effort.
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NotOneOfThem, thank you for your story. The detail was incredible. It is similar to other stories I have heard. What amazes me most is that so many men stay thru the weekend. My husband said he had to "white knuckle" it the entire time just to stay. I am assuming the most men stay because they are afraid of being labeled "not a man". And also because the carrot continues to
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dsuper, interesting you noted sometimes people come out of therapy changed. MKP is NOT supposed to be therapy, just educational. That is what they state over and over. However, IMO, it is therapy, and it does change men, sometimes for the worse. The MKP group my husband was affiliated constantly bombard for donations. Note, my husband only went to NWTA, and did not continue anymore with them.
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Thank you Feldspar, I was wrong, it was a psychic festival, not witches.
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As for therapist advertising in MKP publications. Last year, on the internet, there was a witches convention being promoted. I cannot remember where. MKP was on the list as one of the booth holders. What does that say?
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Sol, since my son is 19, his psychiatrist cannot speak to me about anything involving my son. I do not have a clue as to his opinion of MKP, or if my son has even spoken to him about MKP. Over the past 3 years, I cannot even count the number of therapist and psychiatrists my son has been involved. Quite frankly, I have been alarmed at the total idiots that are therapists and psychiatrists. Thi
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Sol37, I just wanted to make a few comments. First of all, I do not think MKP is a cult. It is a LGAT just like Landmark and numerous others. One of my main issues with MKP is the promotion they are simply an educational group. IMO, they are an unlicensed, unprofessional group of men practicing intense therapy. I have read stories of re-birthing processes. In their own manuals I have read wha
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Sol37, I read your post. My question to you will really depend on whether or not you are married, or involved in a significant relationship. So these questions really are based on the assumption you are. One of my problems with MKP is exactly what you posted. The kind of relationship, trust, etc. you have formed with your Igroup is the kind of relationship I feel should be shared with your wif
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Joe, welcome. Honestly, I do not think I have any questions. I believe the various groups vary in their approach. Some seem to be much milder than others. I think many people here have had varied experiences. Have you read any of the postings already here. Maybe you could tell us how your experiences have been, what made you want to join, and how your experiences are different from some of the
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Skeptic, one other item. MKP very strongly recruits out of 12 step programs. Yes, many of these men need therapy, not NWTA. Because of the secrecy, these men know nothing about what to expect. And yes, these are the men who are usually more harmed than others like your husband. But sadly, most of the recruiting is in AA, NA, SA. This is where my husband was recruited. On his weekend, he recogn
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Skeptic, your post was insightful to read. However, I have to take exception to one area you discussed. It was my husband who had the incident in the sweat lodge. You must not have read it carefully. They were not told to touch each others penises. The statement made was " you may now reach over and grab your brother's dick. If you brother does not want that, he can remove your hand&
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why don't you try to talk to him about the changes you see in him. Ask him to talk with you about what is going on. Maybe he is afraid to talk about MKP. His behavior could be he is unhappy with MKP, but does not know how to get out. Just be his friend and try to get him to open up.
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Greatdane, welcome. I do believe some groups seem to have better programs than others. Maybe you are in one of the better groups, which is why you have not experienced or seen some of the stuff that has been written here. So my question to you is why you went looking, and found this site. Was it simply curiosity? I can only speak for myself, but I could not be involved with a group that has th
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Thank you for banning him. I thought about suggesting it, but it is not my place.
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Dalmation, I have one friend whose grown son committed suicide less than 2 weeks after attending NWTA. Is that enough facts for you. He had no obvious problems, and appeared quite normal before attending NWTA. Is that enough facts for you. Oh yes, I am sure I will hear the same old line "he must have had problems before". Or maybe he did, and no one knew about them. When MKP did t
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Dalmation, if that information were posted, I am sure you would really listen to what was said. I can hear your mantra. It would go something like "well, he cannot know what goes on if he has not been". And if it were a woman therapist, you would dismiss her even more simply because she is a woman, and we all know MKP thinks "little women" have their place, and it is definitel
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Just a little hello. The thread has been a little quiet lately. Hope everyone is doing OK.
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Dalmation, I really have come to appreciate your posts. I have printed them out. When I hear of a man or a wife of a man who is considering going to NWTA, I will show them your posts. I will not have to say much more. Your posts alone will give anyone enough reasons as to why they do not want to be involved with MKP. Thank you so much!!!!
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Dalmation, if you are an example of a "true" warrior, I am reinforced to keep up my work to inform men and women of the dangers of MKP to a marriage. This is no different of the Landmark mentality. Have you read any of the stuff on them. Same story, different group. If you are married, why don't you encourage your wife to read here. Or are you afraid to let her know what really
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Dalmation, why don't you leave her alone. You do not have a clue as to the damage MKP can do to a marriage. You are blind to the pain a marriage can suffer due to the changes some men make after entering MKP. And notice I said some men, not all men. Personally, I think MKP should be exclusively for single men. For me, I don't want to share my husband with anyone. I think most women f
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DonR, I understand your rebirthing experience was good, and I think I understand why it was good. However, the circumstances around your experience and what I wrote about are completely different. It appears you were with a professional therapist that you had been seeing for a while. Someone who knew your background, someone you trusted, and had formed a bond with. This is not what I posted
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The rebirthing process starts with the man who is to be reborn being told to take off all his clothes. So that he won't feel out of place being the only man there naked, another man often will take off all his clothes to stand there to "support" the naked man. A womb is created. This consists of a blanket with other men holding down and kneeling on the edges. The naked man is
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No one who is brainwashed ever knows that they were brainwashed. So you simply are operating in the dark because you really don't know how your brain was tricked into accepting "their" reality. You have my sympathies. No one makes you come here. You do not want to do anything but call the people here liars. Where is your integrity? Why are you judging so many people? Maybe yo
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Ginah, I will try to find the article on some forum where it was being discussed about a man who died during carpet work. I do not know if it was a "re-birth" or not. My memory tells me he was suffocated, but I am not sure of that. I read this a long time ago.
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Dalmation, you were not at the weekend my husband attended. How could you possibly know what went on. Do you really believe evey weekend is exactly like what you experienced? Are you really that naive? How dare you say anything that is posted, which you did not see, is false. You are protesting so much, I wonder what you are covering up. With the judgements you are spouting off, it does not
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thewizard, I also do not have a problem with gays. I have a child who is gay. I also understand many men in MKP are gay or bisexual. When I read stories of married men pulling away from their loved ones, and spending so much time with other, sometimes younger men, I have little nagging thoughts there might be more to it.
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Gunit, I am so sorry. You mentioned homosexuality in your post. That has been touched upon many times. Were you implying your husband may be involved in this since his involvement with MKP?
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