Well, maybe it wasn't the best word, but I was thinking it was a semi-clean word. But, after 30 min., we can edit these posts, but I guess it will have to be left as is. I thought about using that other word. Either way, if you are a student of SU, you will learn from the best of them.
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Someone who was once very close to G&M said that all decisions made by them are first and foremost business decisions. They'll call it a "leading of the lord", but underneath it all, it is always about what improves their bottom line. Sheep will be hurt. Lives will be destroyed. It doesn't matter to them.
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That's a lot of money to pay to learn how to boink your secretary.
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Kevin is Gary's personal assistant. Used to be Kevin Davison, but changed his last name to Hargrave. I guess to prove how much of a son to Gary he is. Note: Marilyn is no dummy: Only a male assistant for Gary.
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1982? A year before John died? For some reason, this smells funny to me. What was Gary up to? Maybe it was a way to shelter funds from Donna. The congregants were told about this corporation much later. And it was "spun" that G&M both set it up.
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Welcome Yasper. Love that name. I, too, had my eyes opened by the posts on FactNET. Kudos to those brave pioneers that first broke the silence. People like Justin, Larry, Ailina, Nero, ChangedAgain, jon, Marilyn L, etc etc. many thanks to all who shared with us your stories and testimonies. You each helped liberate me. I can't thank you enough.
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The daughter was in the Valley church in the late 70's. We all called her "Ruthie".
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And what *really* happened with Impact Paint Roller company?
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And its really a drag when that elder that is your trusted "designated relationship" decides that you need to submit to him sexually.
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Nor recognize Marilyn as the Lamp of Israel
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I recall that during the time of John’s divorce there were strange legal ideas going around. In backroom meetings, it was discussed that the leaders wanted to have all the LW congregants sign a form that relinquished their basic constitutional rights. So that as members, they couldn’t sue the corporation if their rights were violated. The idea was that if a sheep was truly submissive, they wou
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Here's an odd question: have any of you ever been held or detained on Living Word property (or at a communal home) against your will? Where you wanted to leave, but were not allowed to?
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I seem to recall that Gary did not spend much time as a set-aside ministery. Wasn't he an associate pastor at Coniah Chapel within 6 months of coming into the church? Gary's been a boss man since almost day one.
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Who knows? We've all been gone too long. Maybe that inner group has been replaced by "Marilyn's Army of Women", which was another semi-secret clique inside TLWF.
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It is so secret and inner circle, that only the Purples know about it. Not sure why purple. Maybe it's the color of royality? Who knows? "Mongo only pawn in game of life."
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The inner cult is "the purples". (i.e. Marilyn's army)
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Donald Sterling or Gary Hargrave. Doesn't matter. Some people in this world just don't get it.
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I can remember hearing Gary Hargrave say over the pulpit many times that God had given man a free will and He would never cross that free will up. Then I got to wondering...."Gosh, why is it that God will not cross our free wills, but the LW pastors can?" Do they have more clout over us than God?
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Stockard Channel
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So true. I've noticed that in the culture of the Living Word there always has to be a bad guy. Someone who is labeled "the channel of satan". Maybe this is a common practice in totalitarian organizations that have no tollerance for a difference of opinion. Soviet Russia was like this. I suppose John Miller is the current DV. (Designated Villian) This meaness is fueled by t
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Of course not everyone is allowed the privilege of being able to work at Gary and Marilyn’s houses. You have to be cleared and deemed suitable. You have to demonstrate that you have “Marilyn’s thinking” so that you can touch things properly. House cleaning, yard work, etc. Only the special inner circle people get to do this stuff. BTW, there is no pay. This is your ministry to Christ in the
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jhorning Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > larry bobo wrote: " Instead, I spent numerous > hours listening to sermons about my need to have > relationships, but I had no time to actually have > relationships because I was too busy sitting in > church listening to sermons about my need for > relationships." > > An instant
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Yes. They are part of the Twiggs-Smith family. I believe they are cousins. Margaret married Scott Fivish and they both live in the Pacific NW and make wine, as I recall. John and Lucy help lead the Oahu LW church. I hear they bought Gary and Marilyn their first swank house on Diamond Head.
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Well, I guess its time for the faithful to do their annual pilgrimage to Shiloh for the 4th of July. Anybody going?
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I can recall some of the most important, back-room, life-directing personal ministry I received from my local pastor where done while he was drunk. It made me wonder if it was really a word from the lord, or just a word from the bottle. And this was fairly recently too. A lot of the LA pastors and APCO guys have a serious drinking problem. My opinion: drinking was involved in the auto death o
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I've noticed lately that the Living Word Fellowship has gone silent and in-ward. Active members have stopped talking to non-members as much. There must be a general gag order in place.
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Which ultimately leads to this question: what do you accept of JRS as true and correct? Is it like rat poison? 90% solid and true and 10% off? I'm inclined to simply reject it all.
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"laughable". Maybe not so laughable when you discover just how emotionally damaging it is. Sad. : )
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Yes, it is embarrassing. What can I say? I was young and dumb and wanted so badly to be accepted and a part of something cool (what I thought was important and revolutionary). Yikes! (slaps his forehead).... I coulda had a V-8 !
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Jhorning, not everyone was as grounded in the Bible as you were. Especially the 3rd and 4th generations who were discouraged from reading the Bible, or relating to God outside of a DR. It got worse after you left. There are many compromised spines in the LW fellowship. You can disagree certainly, but keep in mind, some of us came from different backgrounds. For some it was, and still is, mind
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