Hello, gang. It's been a VERY long time since I last posted. It will take me a while to get current in postings. But I'm glad to have found y'all again, espectially with the collapse of TLWF. One of my daughters is part of the lawsuit.
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I had many typos in my recent post and missed the window to edit. Small phone screen, fat fingers, and hasty pisting. Mea culpa
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Lily Rose, perhaps I'm misreading what your tone to me here, but I'm only replying for clarification. I wrote sincerely and bared my heart and it cracked you up. That was off putting since he isn't the only one who has made comments about Satan in this forum. Yes, I missed his sarcasm, but I don't him tgat well. And I was unaware that people weren't interested in mo
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Changed, I was at Bob's memorial at TLW. His son was there, too. I was in complete shock over what Gary said snd in complete disagreement. His son was in complete agreement with Gary! So brainwashed. I asked him later why and he said Gary had explained his father's sins and disobedience to him. SO WRONG! "BTW, the memory of a particular Valley service in the 90's is s
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What is the focus on whether Satan is chained for a thousand years or is running free? If you don't believe the Kingdom is here or you are sceptical if God or Christ exist or you have lost faith, then the whole Satan thing is moot. Really, I see us still giving too much power to the ghosts over us! Some haven't been to a service in 30-40 years! How can this be of importance? How ca
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I have a question. I understand why many posters use aliases. I see we use the nsmes of ApCo, G&M, and John Stevens to all them out for the abuse done to us and the body. But when it comes to lcal ministries and their spouses, why aren't their names used? Inuendos are made, but no accountabilities. It pushes the sane buttins to me when things were alluded to by my shepherds but I wa
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Lily Rose, I heard Mary was disbarred due to unethical acts.
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From reading all this on mind control, hypnotic worship, and ministerial oppression for power and wealth, I see how the continued deep-seeded damage for some who have been out for 20, 30 years is completely valid. Why? I figured it out. Jesus! Think about it! He started the first effective cult. He convinced first a handful, then a hoard, then the Pharisees, then the Romans that he had
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Apostle Dog, you think Gary might not be against LGBTQAI? Well, he and Marilyn set Marty out of the Body. I'm thinking he is.
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I tried to share a picture, but it didn't work, do nevermind!
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I was Presbyterian before I was TLW, and we had ecumenical Passover seders. I'very been a part for years. And even when there was a strong association with the Jerusalem Center, I loved the Shabbat we did. Jewish friends of mine now invite me to celebrations because they find me respectful. Know the customs has enhanced my understanding of Christian roots. I have no clue Gary'�
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Lily Rose, it''s a very good article.
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What I learned fromm JR'S on those relationships was a fathering ministry that would encourage leapfrogging, that the student would surpass the teacher. It confirmed what I already kbew, because the Presbyterian church had ordained me as an elder at the age of 18. So I never took that teaching as an hierarchy. Then he commissioned me over the 3rd Generation with two others to bring them u
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Hi, Lily Rose, I always loved Larry Cotton. We had a good relationship and he treated me like a little sister. When JRS once said he could ordain me and I would out minister all the ministriec on the platform, Larry made me bring a "Word" at South Gate *lol* I remember it was on oneness and afterward a fist fight broke out on the platform! When JR'S found out later, he belly
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Here is how they describe themselves now. I think TLW keeps them from mentioning JRS: "It has been... over 18 years since we first launched the Sons of God website, and the dynamics of what is happening in the earth have changed dramatically. Our mission statement has continued to remain the same; to see the maturing and preparing of the sons to fulfill their high calling, and see th
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Ah, yes, the Choses (sp?) who have apparently changed their names to Kjos. Ha! I remember them breakin away after JR'S died. Larry Cotton went with them. I remember their website then, preaching from JRS''s tapes and publications. TLW went after them for copyright infringement. Interesting. I remember talking to him at that time and him trying to recruit me. He seemed prett
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Hi, everyone! I really haven't contributed much to the conversation lately. But I always read your postings. I joined the group after I found out about Marilyn's death. I was very curious what was happening to TLWF as a result. Along the way I gathered insights, learned news, walked down memory lane, and enjoyed the humor. But, really, not much is brought up on the current
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kBoy, I may not watch this for a while -- it may trigger my PTSD. But I will look foward to y'all''s discussion! kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > THIS JUST IN . . . (Cannot vouch for it at > all.) > > "Get ready to be converted. Hulu's new original > series, 'The Path', is the insane and > compel
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For sure, Christ's physical suffering caused his death -- after all, He was human. But I found it interesting and significant that he held on until his exclamation of "My God, my God, why hast Thou forsaken me" and He shouted again and died. He had always done what He saw the Father do and had never NOT known the presence of God. Why couldn't that be the precipitating facto
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Paleface, this is so true! The "current" Word causes division, not oneness; insecurity, not trust or fairh; separation from God, not a walk with God. That internal dissonance definitely causes hives, insomnia, hair loss, alcohalism, and health issues! paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'd like to point out that trying to track with
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I suspect what I'm about to contribute will not set well with the current posters, but I'd like to express my paradigm anyway. When I first joined The Walk, I was a 16 year old who already had an independent walk with God. I sought a fellowship that thought about God like me (for the most part). I didn't see the 5-fold ministry as a hierarchy but as parts of the Body -- every
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Light777, thank you for reaching out! Everyone's story/experience pierced my heart. It has been very hard for me, as well, to believe I gave over 30 years to JRS and then to Gary and Marilyn when I saw after John died, everything went wacko! I hope to see more from you.
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I've missed the antecedent to this Catholic phase of The Walk v.3. Has that chapter on Catholcism been removed from The First Principles or edited? After all the other segues over the last couple of decades, what is the facination? Yeah, yeah, same Father, One Universal Church, yada yada. But why now? I am truly flummoxed.
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My perspective was more that many of the ministries seeing themselves as the gentry and the little people were their serfs. Sad, really, that there was a time that I found my self-respect in step and fetching and never seeing any reciprocity. *sigh* paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > From what I've witnessed, the "little people" are
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Wow! That''s lemons to lemonade. What an intense life. paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > A writer, for sure... > > - > Daniels/dp/0983476454
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What happened to her and her sons? changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I spent from 1976-1989 in the Redlands > church...so, fortunately, I do not need to spend > the $39 to discover how it turned out. > > Hint: not well
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Actually, she wouldn't have needed a will, I don't think. She had a living trust, The Hargrave Family Trust. All bank accounts, property titles, stocks and bonds, everything would be put in the name of the trust. Funds stipulated at death are not subject to inheritance tax. I'm not an accountant nor lawyer, but I think up to $600,000 can be sheltered. But this was planned fo
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Thanks, Paleface. I was just curious. You're spot on about Rick. paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Sarge - I hear the current party line at TLWF is > that "nothing has changed" regarding Gary's > leadership. I suspect Gary is winning any power > plays that may be going down. I don't think Rick > is interes
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Thanks, kBoy. I left in the winter of 2003. I was wondering what the dynamics were like since Marilyn died. The lockdown is interesting on those weddings. They may be keeping "spies" out. kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > TheSarge: > > .... The ‘triumvirate’ that really ruled the roost > were G&M and Rick. With mom out
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LampShmamp Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "Lurker" is an insulting term. Uncalled for. It wasn't meant to be demeaning. My understanding of the word "lurker" is one who views but does not comment.
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