I loved what Nutrino was talking about, and I think it was one of the more important threads on this board. If moderators asked him to cool it, I think that's a shame. I'm very interested in the LGAT's relationship with current government and military. It's easy for everyone to attack each other online. And no, I am not "monied" and have no idea what that has to d
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Okay, Vic, let's call a truce. I'll believe you're a therapist, and you believe I'm not a troll, and we'll move on. I just think you shouldn't call people names and scream at them in forums because they interpret something you said as an attack. Instead maybe consider why they would interpret it that way. Okay? Have a good night.
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Damn right I'm not your patient. Which was my point in the beginning. I didn't ask for your opinion about my psyche, my motives, etc, nor do I want it. And no, you didn't attack Nutrino, you just annoyed him to such a degree that he got so disgusted, he left. Such a pity.
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Um . . . no, Vic, see, you ARE attacking me. Calling someone a "psycho" is, in fact, an attack. So again, is this how you treat your patients? Your psychotic patients? Do you call them "psycho"? Or do you withhold all your fury and unleash it here online instead? Or do you even have patients? Sorry, it's that unfortunate need for truth I seem cursed with. Guess I
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Vic Luc: I've read all the research concerning the types of people who are liekely to do the Forum. I phrased the question as a possible instrospective one. If that's an attack, then this is just a board with people agreeing with each other, and no critial thinking is happening. I might believe that your comment was "possibly an introspective one" but then you foll
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Vic Luc: I asked a question and she went on a tirade. No, you didn't ask a question. You made an inference that could have many negative assumptions attached to it, considering what this board is about, and how many trolls are indeed here. Then you went on to infer that people were PMing you about me, asking if you smell "a rat." I smell a rat, and it ain't me. If
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Vic-Luc:It has more utility and efficacy than medication, and it takes work. That's where I lose people. They don't want to do the work. Oh, I just can't help myself. I have to ask . . . You say you're a therapist? A cognitive behavioral therapist? Do your posts about me, and in response to me, reflect the methodology you use with your clients? Perhaps there's ano
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Here's a couple of ideas about how to build constructive beliefs. Philosophy. Just pure old-fashioned Thinking about thinking, life, mind, self, everything! Grab a used Philosophy text-book for a few bucks, its great stuff. Cognitive Science. Cognitive Therapy. (this explores your beliefs, emotions, behaviors) Psychology and Therapy (from legit sources) Skepticism There
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Actually, I take it back, I don't need to ask you for evidence because I know well enough that there is none. I've never done one thing on this board that could be considered trolling. So I think the best thing is for me to ignore you now and continue to appreciate all the GOOD that this board has to offer. Your problems are not mine, and the last thing I need in my life right now is to
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You might try counseling and leave your negative attitudes, wild acccusations, trolling, and assumptions at the door. There, you've accused me of trolling. At least you're starting to be honest now. Now tell me EXACTLY how I'm trolling, except for being offended by your attack on me which came out of nowhere and which has confused more people than just me.
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Vic-Luc, I think you've learned a little too much about mind fucking from the LGATs. If you're accusing me of being a troll or a rat, or a liar, come out and say it like a man without all this bullshit, and then produce your evidence. No one has PMed me with anything other than respect and appreciation. I don't have time for your mind games.
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I think the faux truths knowns as "thought stopping cliches" are really the killer. I'm a writer, and when you write you have to edit out all cliches and write originally. I think we should edit these "thought stopping cliches" from the New Age world out of our heads and see if we can think without them. They've permeated the culture to such an extent that everyone i
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Oh, and I wanted to say -- Elena, you also are among my top three favorite writers and thinkers here on this board. There are many fine people posting here, but your articulate and meaningful insight really deserves to be collected into a book. I want to thank you for continuing to write here, this board is very important and you really are doing a service to the world by helping to clarify th
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Hi Skeptic, Thanks for responding. When I read your posts I felt genuinely concerned for you, because I know how it feels to have that sense of groundlessness. Questions are good, though, right? Better to know you have some questions than to think you've got all the answers. Good luck and yes, stay away from the LSD ;) Peace- VL
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And another thing, Senor Luc, Let me be right up front and tell you that I don't appreciate your attack nor do I particularly need it in my life at the moment. Nor did I ask for your twisted psychological diagnosis (in fact, it reminds me Landmark's or Byron Katie's reversal of reality -- are you a disciple of hers??), so save that for your patients who pay you. I just weathe
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Vic-Luc, your post really makes no sense. Can you explain in what way someone who is vehemently anti-LGATs and who has just lost a great love of her life to Landmark is someone who might be drawn to Landmark? Someone who is dedicated to personal, independent self-exploration and truth, and who has recognized the fundamental untruths Landmark teaches? I don't follow your logic.
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Well they're only blurred in your head, Vic-Luc, not mine. Maybe in the past I would have been drawn to Landmark, which is the point of my posts. I'm sharing what I've gone through with identity crises in the past, because a few people on this board have told me directly that my sharing experiences has been useful for them. I don't know what "lines" you'
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Excuse me while I blather some more. My laundry is drying and I don't watch TV. You have to remember that we are among the very first humans released from the traditional boundaries of village/tribe, and many of us are now moving beyond the "isms" of recent centuries. The gurus of the "human potential movement" would have you believe that their brand of existentialism
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I just read the beginning of this thread. Skeptic, I'm wondering how you're doing with gaining some ground under you. I understand perfectly where you were in your initial post, which was some time ago. How has it been going for you since? When I was a teenager I did a lot of LSD and other psychedelics, and they basically stripped away my entire frame of reference for reality. It&
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This post may not be appropriate, as some might see it as a personal attack, but that's not how it's intended. The moderator may remove it if it seems necessary. I've been following Pragmatist's threads with interest. They tell a story, in my opinion, of someone who essentially does not like himself, has few if any personal ethics -- he openly admits, smugly at that, to lyi
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Thanks, Skeptic. I know what you mean, it's like Invasion of the Body Snatchers, or some Twilight Zone episode. At this point anyone I date, or any roommate I might have, or . . . shit, I don't care, even if someone is about to change my spark plugs, I think I'm going to have to ask up front if they're affiliated with any LGAT or guru . . . it's everywhere . . . Ma
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What happened to Nutrino? Why no more posts? In my long and sad wanderings through this board over the last few weeks I've taken the most comfort in Nutrino's posts, giving me hope for the survival of rationality and clarity of the human mind in the midst of a primordial swamp of New Age mind-fucking leeches. He seemed genuinely dedicated to the pursuit and value of truth. And he was
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Hey, thanks Skeptic. I think you're pretty insightful as well so don't underestimate your own posts on this board. However, I'm really floored by Nutrino, who doesn't post anymore. Where did he go? I'm going to put a post looking for him, maybe he's lurking around. Truthfully I feel like I've spent a fair bit of my time here screaming and raging, whining and
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Golfer, I am sorry you've fallen for whatever kernels of truth Byron Katie uses to suck people toward her black hole of madness, and now you feel you need to defend her. I feel I need to defend truth. I'm posting here, below, what I posted on another section of this board. With all due respect, none of your points matter, nor are they logical. I'm not talking about other phon
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After reading about Byron Katie on this board, I was interested to see her in action. Here is a link showing a session with an Israeli woman who tells Katie that she's afraid of war. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwerzf5gIH0 I've never seen anything so insane in my life, outside of a mental institution. I've watched other videos and read parts of her writing, and now I am just stun
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Byron Katie was once insane and appears to be insane now. Even Landmark and The Forum aren't as wacked out as Katie's lunatic reversal of reality. I can't believe how many people are listening to this woman. The world is a mad house. Here is a review of her book from Amazon: If no stars were available, I'd choose that. This self-help book is aimed primarily at helping th
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Might as well put my two cents in on this older topic, in case anyone in the future has issues with Castaneda styled gurus. I grew up around the books of Castaneda, and to this day I enjoy them tremendously. I don't agree that they're boring, I think they're well written and extremely entertaining, but that's just my opinion of course. I also think that the character of Don
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Reading this thread was really upsetting. Amazing how everyone went on and on over what these "cuddle parties" are really about and whether they're good or bad -- the whole time being led on by "Acid Reindeer" who goes to sex parties on the weekend and so had to defend the cuddle parties. Just the thought of getting intimately physical with a bunch of strangers . . . y
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Oh . . . my . . . . god . . . . I'm going to THROW UP. Does this still go on? I know there's a lot of "swinging" with Landmark -- the guy who stabbed his wife to death in Reno, they were swingers, and of course it fits with the whole scene. But holy S*%#T, the thought of my ex going to a Landmark cuddle party makes me nauseous down to my toes. How absolutely repulsiv
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And as for the issue of meaning, and the alluvial flood plane . . This is a central question for humanity. What is meaning. What is the meaning of meaning? This question can't be answered, and certainly not by Landmark's easy out: There IS no meaning! As far as I can see, you ARE your own meaning, and that means ALL of you, and everything you touch, and all the complex interconne
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