Quoteal3rI am currently reading Loving What Is by Byron Katie. I thought the first part of the book was pretty boring and basic, but it's getting better the more I read. So far, I did like one thing she said very much. It was. IF you put your hand in a fire, does anyone have to tell you to move it? We are capable to move away from the flame and into the Truth and Light without a
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QuoteThe AnticultI just want to drop one small Knowledge-Bomb into this to balance things out a bit. It seems that everything about this is extremely negative, and it is, its important to look at the facts. BUT, negation won't get us anywhere by itself. There are countless wonderful things to explore, that are legit. For example, saw a documentary the other week about some contemporary a
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QuoteHopeful SoulAh, HOPE! Impact really shot themselves in the foot by saying that there is no hope. Once again this goes against the best wisdom of the ages. Impact priestcraft being hypocritical; this really fits. Job 27:8 says,"For what is the hope of the hypocrite, ...." The Impact staff (read Priests) according to their own dogma have no hope, but I have hope that the same
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Quoteal3rI am currently reading Loving What Is by Byron Katie. I thought the first part of the book was pretty boring and basic, but it's getting better the more I read. So far, I did like one thing she said very much. It was. IF you put your hand in a fire, does anyone have to tell you to move it? We are capable to move away from the flame and into the Truth and Light without a
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Hi Samual, yeah, I am so glad the court was able to support you, but I am so sorry about you losing your wife. I can imagine the pain and loss you must feel. Well, MAYBE, one day, your wife MIGHT see the light. Maybe one day she will accidentally come accorss this site, or who knows....but I guess there is not too much point hoping. I'm not sure why I still come to this site, perhaps
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p.s. I should have "previewed" the previous message. corrections:- should read - "THEY come and go"; SomeTIMES..." etc. ~Shad
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okey dokey, vlinden, i understand. and as far as heartaches go, well, the come and go, and in my experience, looked at philosophically, you know the old say: "better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all!" - it is really true, as you (i suppose i mean "I") grow in years and wisdom, i can look back with a certain amount of delight in my "lost" lov
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postscript: i will try and find that list i got from an expert on deprogramming cult victims, a list of things to do and say, and not to say, etc., when talking to loved ones who are involved in cults. I might have filed it under "L" in my filing cabinet. If i find it I will post it here tomorrow, or Saturday. regards for now, ~Shad
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QuotevlindenI could probably still have some sort of relationship with my ex without him feeling like he had to enroll me in Landmark -- at least I think so. I may be wrong. But I just can't stand to talk to him while he's so engaged in this. It's like he's infected with a virus, and I can't . . . stand it . . . I can't to hear about Landmark, I can't stand to h
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QuoteHopeful Soul“Words have power” is an axiom of Impact dogma. I agree with that to the extent that words have the power to cloud, confuse, mislead and control as Impact misuses them. Words also have the power to enlighten, clarify and define when used as Impact will not like. I remember sitting in amazement and disbelief at the ritualistic ordinances the Impact paid and volunteer “priests”
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Quotevlinden When householders practice meditations designed for renunciates, they inadventently damage the psychic and energetic structures they need to make their way in the material world. Meditation works, and it works on you on a deep level. If you go into meditation with the idea that you have to detach from the world, you may get more than you bargained for - you may find yourself gr
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QuoteThe AnticultNow, the next project is to figure out WHY does Byron Katie install such negative and destructive Beliefs in her hypnotic subjects? Its clear HOW she does it, but why? That is very rare for these types of hypnotists... Is it because Byron Katie herself suffers from some type of serious disturbance? Or is it simply marketing, to find those in serious PAIN, and to use that
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QuoteThe AnticultQuoteThe Shadow sorry, but could you explaine what you mean by: "it could be that this type of forum is more for those on the Outside, to stay out?" What it means is that the only meaning, of meaning, is that it has meaning has no meaning, other than the meaning you give it. That will be $100K..thx... kidding! I was saying maybe these threads ARE way too int
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QuoteThe Anticultfar be it for me to tell anyone what to say or think...but just for anyone new or old dropping into the thread... we seem to have had a thread meltdown, which is not uncommon, it happens. Words get misinterpreted, dealing with very heavy and complex issues, and its not easy for anyone. So instead of turning within, and starting to have a go at eachother, I would vote to
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Quotehelpme2timesQuotevlindenI did wonder for moment about Jon Willis contacting JJ privately and saying things to her that seemed different from what he said on this thread. Unless I'm mistaken, I just don't remember him saying anything that seemed he was looking for answers or having problems with BK. But I also don't know exactly what he said to her because she didn't feel
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QuoteThe AnticultHi Everyone, including me!! Lets remember this is very intense stuff. We are all learning each day. This is literally Thought-Reform, so it can get a bit crazy. Lets all have a coffee and let things sink in. We have seen all of this type of thing many times before in the forums..things can go a little sour.. But there is a way to problem-solve rationally. For exampl
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QuotevlindenPart of the problem is that so many people are in different places regarding their involvement with these groups. Some are still very much involved, others are totally out and recovering, others have recently lost someone to a group and are seething in pain over that, others lost people long ago and are counseling the new folks with pure understanding. It really is difficult to kn
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Quotejj52And if you read my posts, I suggested that we all give some effort in responding to them more like rrmoderator, because I think his methods are more effective and make it safer and healthier for all concerned. Warn them--educate them what is expected in this forum-- and then if they ignore you, go ahead and slaughter them. I wonder how any one can reply to me when they so obviously have
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Quotejj52[The way you've responded to me does remind me a bit of how children behave. Children don't really listen, they just push and persuade and try to convince others to get their way, don't they? -jj yep, that's pritty much what they do. -Shad
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Quotejj52QuoterrmoderatorTo whom it may concern: Please to be civil and reasonable. There should be no need for anyone to leave due to a lack of civility. Flaming and personal attacks are against the rules. THANK YOU! -jj rr I know this is a stupid question, but I don't remember - what is 'flaming'? -Shad
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Quotejj52 -jj YOU, jj, are giving me waaaayyyy to much power....having said that let me add that your sarcasm is NOT helpful. regards, Shad
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Quotejj52QuoteThe ShadowQuotejj52 jj, I think I am frank and civil; i express my anger, I do not use foul language and name-calling (well, maybe sometimes i do) . I don't think i am "defensive". Then why are you defending yourself to me? If you think this doesn't apply to you, why respond at all? Dear JJ, Why not respond? - this is an open forum, i'm not defendin
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QuoteThe AnticultIt was a positive sign that at least Jon Willis appeared to stop just running patterns from The Work, and began to appear to be more genuine. That being said, a 10 second simple search of the Google cache from only a few weeks ago (the posts are older) is quite revealing... Jon Willis "I am a 36 year old guy that has learnt and is continuing to learn that unhappiness a
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Quotevlindenjj, It's true that being kind, compassionate and understanding is very important, and I understand that you don't want to fight. But in reality, some people do want to fight. You don't have to take part, and you can always offer a more understanding voice if other people are getting hot under the collar. But in truth, I haven't seen anything on this board that e
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"But, are you listening?" I want you to know right now that the outcome of this conversation will determine whether or not I stay involved with this forum. I realize that may mean nothing to you... but I really don't know. The people here and their participation means a great deal to me. I've been relying on all of you through the last week or so. I wouldn't want anyon
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.....however, having said all of the above, I recognize (remembering what I have read from experts on this subject), that the more one invalidates their experience, the more resistant they become to what I have to say, the more intrenched they get in their skewed paradigm... i must admit, i do keep forgetting that, so it IS helpful to have people take the opposite approach. I guess I have t
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Quotevlindenjj, I've been reading this board non-stop for over a month, I must have read every single thread on the LGAT site. I've seen numerous incidents of trolls showing up, and I've found it very interesting to see how they operate. For the most part, they sound exactly like Jon Willis. They can be very disruptive, but it seems their one and only intent it is to SOW
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QuoteJon WillisLastly, I've realised that it is time for me to leave this thread - I've learnt a lot in a short space of time, so thank you to all of you. Good luck with your own journeys. Jon Jon, I thought you said on March 3rd or 4th that you were not going to come back to the rickross forum? - Shad
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QuoteJon WillisI have had problems posting messages this morning - the system told me I wasn't logged in after trying to post it twice - if the post did happen to get through and just hasn't appeared yet then I'm hoping the moderator picks up on this and deletes the duplicates. Thanks, Jon Jon, sometimes, when you log in, if you type just one wrong letter, or say, for ex
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QuoteThe Shadow fortunately for charlatans I am very good at that! regards, Shad ops!, i meant UNfortunately for charlatans..... please note correction -Shad
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