Quotejj52QuoteThe Anticult honestly, I don't know what he's doing over here anyway, he really does not have anything to offer, except to "defend" his position, which he keeps saying he is not defending! quote] Hi jj, first of all the above is my statement, not Anticult's - Shad ---------------- Further, you state: " Yet I get the impression that his pres
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QuoteThe Anticult For all we know, Byron Katie took The Forum with Werner Erhard in 1986, had a mental breakdown like many do, flopped out for a weekend at some roach motel or house, and came up with the idea to do her own version of The Forum, but instead of yelling, do a Turnaround into making it seem move Loving, and adding in hypnosis, Trance stories like the cockroach, and about 100 other
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QuoteThe AnticultQuoteThe Shadow honestly, I don't know what he's doing over here anyway, he really does not have anything to offer, except to "defend" his position, which he keeps saying he is not defending! Here's here to plant the seeds of The Work inside the critical threads, to hook followers of the Work who are reading these threads, gently back into The Work. To
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Quoteformerimpactgrad As far as the pro-LGAT people are concerned, it would be nice to be able to converse with one who has retained at least a portion of both their sanity and integrity. -- do you really think that is possible, that a pro-LGAT still maintains any sanity or integrity? I mean, do they even share the same definition of the words "sanity" and "integrity? Shad
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Quotehelpme2timesQuoteThe ShadowQuoteJon WillisHi Anticult, Looking back on my initial post I can see how the 'free online' thing could be seen as pushing that - sadly, that wasn't my intention, that was more about stressing that I'm not a 'paid out loads of money on workshops, etc' person. Jon So, please, please please, tell me what is your intention for p
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QuoteJon WillisHi Anticult, Looking back on my initial post I can see how the 'free online' thing could be seen as pushing that - sadly, that wasn't my intention, that was more about stressing that I'm not a 'paid out loads of money on workshops, etc' person. Jon So, please, please please, tell me what is your intention for posting here? People HERE are ta
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QuoteJon WillisHi JJ, I don't feel resistance to this forum, otherwise I wouldn't be on here - I did feel some apprehension on first introducing myself - never particularly easy to say 'this is me' and 'this is my experience' when it seems to be contrary to most people's experience - also reading earlier posts in the threads where people that have been pro-
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Quotehelpme2timesQuoteThe Shadow~~ thanks for the salespitch, Jon, but i'm not buying it - regards, Shad Hey Shadow, I kind of bit your head off recently when I thought you were belittling people for getting hooked into Byron Katie. I apologize if I overreacted. As for Jon Willis, I really appreciate what you have expressed to him and would like to add a few things... I googled "
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QuotevlindenHey Skeptic, This authentic thing is truly weird to me. When my ex got out of the Forum, he said a lot of things to me that made it seem like he was realizing how inauthentic he'd been with me in the past. It's very upsetting to be told this by the person who said he loved you so deeply. And then he said he wanted to be authentic with me now, but it seemed like he was fa
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QuoteJon WillisHey there, My name's Jon - as you'll see from my user profile. I'm intrigued by what's going on here - I admit I don't know much about cults, as I've never been involved in one, at least not consciously :-) I use The Work regularly (the process of asking the 4 questions and trying out the turnarounds), which I do see as something quite separa
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Quotejj52QuoteThe Anticult She is literally trying to get into the deepest part of your psyche, and FUSE WITH IT, using that hypnotic command, its very common stuff. She can get into the deepest part of your mind and "soul". "Do you love me yet?" That is a presupposition and leading question, an outright ugly abuse of hypnotic language, to make you LOVE HER. Anyone can
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i just checked out a couple of Katie's utube seminars, what a load of crap, first of all, she just keeps repeating the same phrase over and over, then when she asks a person a question she interrups the person mid-sentence. Sorry, but i just don't have the patience for this. i watched for about 3 minutes and that was enough for me. Shad
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QuoteSarahLIf you haven't already done so, run a search here on this site, some good threads on them both. I've looked over some info on Tolle and stay clear of him and anyone like him. Loaded confusing language is used (a.k.a. mumbo jumbo), focus is encouraged on his eyes and appearance, all too much like most every other charlatan. quite frankly, i think in that photo of Tolle (tha
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QuotecorboyDear Guruphobic, I didnt post your material on Guruphiliac, either. Am sorry you're going through this. i didn't post anything on Guruphiliac either, Shad
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QuotevlindenHi Shadow and Zorro, Thank you both for writing to me. I've been on a much, much needed vacation. Well, it was a moving trip that I turned into a vacation. I spent some time on very beautiful beaches, and this did wonders for my head and heart. It really helped to break me out of the awful hole I was trapped in for a month. I feel like I'm healing now, like I'm beco
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Quoteal3r About 3.5 million copies of Eckhart Tolle's spiritual self-help guide have been shipped since Winfrey announced her selection four weeks ago. The book has topped the best-seller list on Amazon.com virtually from the moment Winfrey's choice was revealed and is the fastest-selling pick ever at Barnes & Noble Inc., according to a statement issued yesterday by Winfrey. qu
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QuoteHearts5683It seems that you guys take things really too far and go overboard. But, what do I know right? as you say Hearts5683, what DO you know? Well, you know what you know, and apparently you don't know what you don't know... What i DO know is this: The rickross message board serves as a sounding board for people who feel they have been hurt/severely damanged by one or m
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Quotejj52QuoteThe Shadowp.s. I'm glad you kept Issac, jj Thanks! Me too. I can see the differences between your experience and the one at The School. Not only did you give something, you got something... and it wasn't "something of value". It actually sounds like a very sweet experience... not one that would leave you wondering how you were going to get back across the c
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p.s. I'm glad you kept Issac, jj
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Quotejj52Over the last week, there was a discussion here about the exercise at the School where participants were asked to think of something valuable in their rooms, wrap it up, and give it to BK... not to be returned for the most part. (Just a brief recap after the Guruphiliac detour:) Blammo shared about his relatives who apparently gave away $100,000 in jewelry. And, I witnessed others who ga
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Quotejj52Shad, Thanks for clearing that up. In the context it was given, it did appear to me to be aimed at people involved with BK. I misunderstood. I'm glad to know what you really meant! -jj okey dokey jj, thanks for the reply too. i've been away from this message board for quite awhile as I was doing some schooling, and this BK person is someone i had not heard about before
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Quotejj52helpme2times, Thank you. I wonder how many people coming out of cults (of any kind) fail to get the help they need because of attitudes like the one Shadow has expressed? There's nothing like being told you're stupid for your involvement in the cult, after it's completely destroyed your sense of self! OUCH! That ought to be enough to make people go running back to their
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QuotecorboyRegarding the Guruphiliac post on ET alluded to above: Over the years Mr Ross has comported himself in a steady and gentlemanly manner---even when under pressure and baited by trolls. Because Mr Ross conducted RR.com in an adult and decorous manner, and by maintaining high journalistic standards, RR.com earned and attracted legal advocacy in its hour of need---and by maintaining
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Quotehelpme2timesQuoteThe Shadowi just read some of the messages at the Guruphiliac Blog; man alive, what a bunch of hoowey - don't people have better things to do with their time than spend it at these crazy workshops, like perhaps they could go out and help old people do their grocery shopping...there are tons of ways to do good other than giving your personal possessions to complete stran
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i just read some of the messages at the Guruphiliac Blog; man alive, what a bunch of hoowey - don't people have better things to do with their time than spend it at these crazy workshops, like perhaps they could go out and help old people do their grocery shopping...there are tons of ways to do good other than giving your personal possessions to complete strangers, etc. ...sheeeesh..... h
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QuoteskepticHa ha, Impacted. Shad (if you're serious), Impacted is talking "The Secret". If you follow the ILlogic through, Impacted is omnipotent and Impacted created everything, including your possessions, which he would like you send to him right now. hah hhah hah hah, skeptic, no, i mean yes, I was serious, but i get it now, i just didn't follow, it all just sounded
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QuoteskepticHa ha, Impacted. Shad (if you're serious), Impacted is talking "The Secret". If you follow the ILlogic through, Impacted is omnipotent and Impacted created everything, including your possessions, which he would like you send to him right now. hah hhah hah hah, skeptic, no, i mean yes, I was serious, but i get it now, i just didn't follow, thought maybe the pe
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QuotecorboyFrom a website called Butterflies and Wheels--subtitled 'Fighting Fashionable Nonsense.' Well worth a visit. Study the items. Veterans of this board will see how familiar these gambits are. And--so will our moderators. Full page version here: hi Corboy, how are things with you? i will check the above out, thanks! regards, shad
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QuoteZorroYes! You've learned quite well! If an apologist ever tells me that I will reply: "I am really "positive" that if you don't take your own "racket" somewhere else quickly a situation will be "created" where by there is a distinct "possibility" of me putting my boot up your ass. I am also "resposible" enough that the boot
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Quotevlinden And I think of him bonding with other people, choosing a bunch of Landmark jargon-spouting drones over me, and I feel such a deep sense of miserable loss, it just cuts right through me. . . . . the sad part vlinden is that they wont truly "bond"; my friend became completely narcistic, incapable of seeing anything real beyond herself...i don't believe there is any
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