would you mind moving this conversation to the Impact thread? I know Rick has asked this before on another topic you posted Hopeful. You seem to have things to say about Impact, why don't you post on the main thread? Posting new topics in this way is incongurent and a little confusing to those unfamiliar with Impact and the terms you use to describe it ("TIT" for example means jibb
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QuoteskepticDyno, what brings you to this discussion? skeptic
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QuoteDynomanI also said the court thing would probably be a futile approach as there aren't (most likely, at least) any laws they are breaking. I think it is likely they are breaking the law with their finances, they have done it before (the court documents posted on this site show as much) Besides, how can you say it is unlikely when it is obviously more likely that they are, based on the
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I have posted many personal things on this and the other boards, as have many other people. You will have to forgive me if I do not wish to answer redundant questions any longer. I am happy to answer any questions regarding Impact and its processes, as well as give any advice if I am able. For now I am going to focus on pulling out the old TIT manuals and handouts and hopefully give you a fairly
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QuoteexImpact...I think I will trust Mr. Ross’s instincts next time he gets the itch to pull the plug on a flamer. Any more predictions of this nature? Oh, exImpact, I have one! I also predict that we will see more sophisticated attempts to engage in "Victim Bashing". I think this will follow a format that allows one to appear to be neutral or against Impact and other LGAT's, but
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I know this may seem controversial, but I am going to attempt to predict the future: It is my thought that apologists for Impact are going to begin signing up with accounts and post on these boards. They are going to begin with a very strong anti-Impact statement, something that will seem to immediately put them in the LGAT-haters camp, or they will pose as a person in need of “help” or some othe
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QuoteDynomanWow I've read a bunch of these pages and I have to say, from what y'all have said these Large Group thingies really suck people in!!!!!! How do they do that so well? I would be seriously pissed if I spent 40 grand on this stuff and found out it was brainwashing me!!!!! And to top it off, you found it did nothing but bad things to you!!!!!! Oh that sounds awful!!!! H
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QuoteDynomanWow I've read a bunch of these pages and I have to say, from what y'all have said these Large Group thingies really suck people in!!!!!! How do they do that so well? Impact, short of a few billboards, relies solely on word of mouth advertising. So when your mother or boyfriend you love and heretofore have trusted comes to you one day and says, "You HAVE to do this,
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QuoteSmokerSallySorry if I copy this wrong but I am still learning to use the board. ex, It is my one in-law that take things to the extreme and yes, he has tried to coach our language. He was pretty unstable before Impact and I am not the only person that thinks he came out worse. As far as I know none of my in-laws have gone past qwest but they have all tried to "enroll" my husban
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Quotespiritual?QuoteEyeswideopenI have a friend who attended the previous iimpact now called New Era Trainings, is this the same as the "seminars" basically in Utah? My friend is completely in denial, it is sad.. Can anyone send me more information so I might try to show him proof that this is a cult? ExImpact and Formerimpactgrad have said a lot about how they got out of the training
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QuoteSmokerSallyex, I appreciate you taking the time to respond to my post even though it was a little off the currant conversation. Now I understand a little better why my in-law refuses to continue having a conversation with some one if they use these words. Thanks agianEven for most graduates, the refusal to continue to have a conversation because you will not conform to the Impact jargon is
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QuoteJack Oskar Larm I couldn't agree with you more, but we have to acknowledge that this forum and others like it are a form of media coverage. We just have to adhere to the idea that we don't waste too much time on patting ourselves on the back and taking up too much valuable space getting angry or sarcastic. Quite right. I'll admit, I get charged up at times on these boards, but
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QuoteRswintersI spent over 2 years and over 10 thousand dollars spent going through Klemmers seminars. Plus another 10 thousand for a ex-wife that I remarried and got her into Klemmer and watched it create a worse monster in her than the one I divorced the first time around as she chose to go the path of arrogance as many LGAT participants have gone. She is filing for divorce and this marriage
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QuoteRswintersOtter long enough to have the things that I created to go atomic and blast a crater across every aspect of my life... Rs, wasn’t sure if you got the word, but here it is: Quoterrmoderatorformerimpactgrad: Did some checking. Otter and beaver1 apparently are the same person. Posting under more than one name is a violation of the rules. Otter and beaver1 have both been
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QuoteSmokerSallyFormer and ex, I have some in-laws that are involved in Impact and I would really like to understand why words like help and try are so terrible to use. I know that it has been mentioned before that these words are some of the first that are labeled as bad (for lack of a better term) but not why they are not to be used. I would appreciate the info. Thanks There is a demonstrati
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Quotejeffaroonyo24So what does Hans teach about Joseph Smith?That he was a prophet and a good man, in fact he has been referred to as a Master of Light.
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Quoteskepticdisclaimer: I haven't read all the posts in the thread so if I'm repeating something that's why. Reading question lady's question as to why people might go to a "seminar" over therapy, I think a couple factors are that lgats promise "happy ever after" & total success in just a matter of days (quick, magic fix). . . and . . . the recr
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Quotequestion ladyI agree completely with everything you just said exImpact. Yet, people do go to these things and possibly because they don't like admitting they need help and a large group seminar could sound less threatening, although we know that they are dangerous.Granted, but isn't that just another reason why people seek mental health in this form? I think it fits under the um
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Quotequestion ladyYou may be right exImpact. I don't know. Yet I think Otter is suggesting some plausible reasons why people may choose an LGAT rather than go to a professional counselor. I think it could help to understand those reasons whether we agree with them or not.Sure, but it's been said before. I mean, look at the boards and you will find a myriad of reasons why people do it. I
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QuoterrmoderatorTo whom it may concern: Does anyone think Otter is contributing anything meaningful to this thread? I am considering banning him from the board as he is just taking of space with nothing but ridiculous posts.After seeing what has been posted today, It is apparent to me that Otter is seeking to gain control of the board with his smug and insensitive, victim bashing remarks. I
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Quote="don'tloveimpact"I don't get the whole crystal thing. How do crystals make me more "spiritual"? This is a great one that did not make any sense to me, even when I was full-blown TIT man. Ok, up until TIT, Impact had been empowering me to be entirely self sufficient, to not lean on any figurative crutches in any way, because the take your power away, right
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Quotespiritual? This is just another of the many decrees that were meant to expand that pillar of mystical fire that is supposed to protect you. Does anyone remember that story Hans used to tell about being attacked in Quest by one of Satan’s minions and then being able to fight back with the violet flame. I think he said something like the guy went to attack him and then was punched to the flo
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QuoteOtter...As I was sitting, somewhat floating on a pink cushion of energy, I got that my orange chakra deserved to release itself. And so it was. I Am that I AM.Um, Otter's gone bye-bye Egon, there is no Otter, there is only Zuul.
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I have never heard of groups like these. This is strange, it seems to be LGAT therapy for those who are unsatisfied with LGAT's. I wonder if a specific training is actually behind Ontologika, because it sounds like a trap to find (or prevent people from becoming) potential dissidents of an LGAT.
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Ok, I have a pretty horrible example: When the second group of Trainers In Training 2 grads to join our TIT 3 family at Impact joined up, a man, about 30 years old, began to address the group (as is custom), describing the miracles he had been creating and had witnessed while in the TIT program. He spoke of a decree of abundance he had been repeatedly putting out into the universe over the last y
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Yes, I was aware of his intended sarcasm. And I stand by my statement :D
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QuoteSaneAgainThe scary thing is what they must've put you through to get to the point of believing all this. That's scary. Its one thing having wacky ideas in books, but putting people through all kinds of emotional and mental grinders to get there... its abominable. How generous of him to hang around here instead of ascending. Do you think they (Hans and Sally) really belie
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QuoteskepticImpact sounds really nutty!They are a nut burger on a nut bun with nut toppings (don't hold the nuts), with nuts on the side and nutty dipping sauce for your nuts , complete with a nut shake.
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QuoteSaneAgainexImpact and formerimpactgrad: So what is supposed to happen to people like you who walk out and spill the beans? No ascending? Or do you descend? Did they try to frighten you with things like that?Beans? exImpact cares not for beans! Seriously, if they really are who they claim to be, they will merely wish us well on our journey. I suspect we are getting under their skin. Wh
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Quoteskeptic"Looking at oneself" is a unique endeavor when done the lgat way. As usual, there's a twist. The lgat way means that when you "look at yourself" you are looking for how YOU are at fault, how YOU are screwing up creating your reality. In your case question lady, the thing you're doing that's screwing you up is having expectations. See how easy
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