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8 years ago
billy77
It's unreal. I got an email a while back from them saying that it was Luis' Birthday. Basically asking for money but saying that Ole has said that we should give more than we would normally compared to an office whip round. Can you believe it. I have my mind raped by them, I lose everything, my quality of life for years and years is practically nil and now they are asking for mone
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9 years ago
billy77
It's just foul the whole thing. It all reeks of mad people trying to mess with other people because they themselves are mental.
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
9 years ago
billy77
I'm sick of these people. These sellers of shoddy goods. No amount of thinking can free you from pain and fear. People just need to wise up to this shit. Instead they are being messed with by these pariahs.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
9 years ago
billy77
Listen to the audio version. You will hear him say it. My point is though that this stuff, whatever it contains; truisms, conjecture, opinions, always turns into a bunch of beliefs and a bunch of followers. He knows what he is doing in that regard.
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups
9 years ago
billy77
John Smith, He does actually say that he decided to become a spiritual teacher if you listen to him on the audio version. His website has "Eckhart Teachings" all over it aswell. So I think that he is describing himself as a teacher. Of course it turns into a belief system for his followers. What else would these truisms turn into? Nobody can do anything with truisms. At some point
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups
9 years ago
billy77
A lot of sane, intelligent and decent people are fed up with these kind of groups. Soon the tide has to turn and they will be exposed for what they are. Never did I come across such a bunch of harmful, disgusting, fake mentalists. It is the product of the insane ego and at odds with the human spirit. Soon they will be known about on a wider level and fewer people will be getting sucke
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
9 years ago
billy77
In my life I never came across anything that disturbed me or riled me like this ISA organisation did. I want them all shutting down. Landmark, ISA, Lifespring, all the clones, all of them. I want everyone to "wake up" as they put it and realise what these things are. It is againist humanity something like this. In operation just to serve a few egos at the top. This is how Hitler a
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
9 years ago
billy77
Yes, basically afterwards I could not process it all. It was just too much. It was too mental all of it. The thing I was involved with, The Institute For Self Actualization is just another Landmark clone. It's amazing how similar these things are even though they pretend they are such unique and special. All the methods are the same, all the techniques. These "assistants" the
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
9 years ago
billy77
Yes it must be very hard if you have been there for a few years because then it just becomes part of your everyday world and your everyday thinking. They use basic human insecurities againist you and so you feel bad or guilty if you don't do the "right" thing. They are masters of that, all of them. The leaders of these things are never great, benevolent spirits... it's alwa
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups
9 years ago
billy77
I read it all with interest newfuture. Really what they are trying to do is kill people as they know themselves. That is the harsh reality of it. You are going there innocently and they are trying to take you down and so they can create something that gets put in place of what you were. They don't care a damn about you, about your thoughts, feelings, soul intelligence. They just wan
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
9 years ago
billy77
The more I think about these types of groups and their methods I start to accept that what happened to me was not so strange. These groups and their methods would produce psychosis. Only a misguided fool would claim that they don't have any potential to do this. It's unbelievable that this crap exists in mainstream society. I hope they get banned and outed. All of them. Shown for
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9 years ago
billy77
I honestly never thought it would be so difficult. These groups really have conned people that they have to do something to be ok. It's usually because the leader had some parent who didnt unconditonally love them when they were young. So instead of facing into that they end up in charge of some nutbox group spreading their sickness onto everyone. Maybe they aren't all like that but
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups
9 years ago
billy77
Yes for a long time I was actually seriously afraid of any other teachings or therapies. I had so many panic attacks just engulfed in that feeling of doom when I read some of them. I had never needed anything like that before. I never read anything with the aim of changing myself or "self development". I lived with who I was, I wasn't concerned with trying to change. Of course now
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups
9 years ago
billy77
Yes it's some deep thing that everyone can access. I feel that I only want to function through that now. I just can't get into another situation where I am having to live through some conditioned mind patterns for their benefit. I wish the people I had seen early on afterwards had told me to connect to that instead of all this head stuff. I think they don't have a clue some menta
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups
9 years ago
billy77
I know what you mean. It's like soul searching that we are trying to do. These groups cut you off from your soul and so they can get their stuff into your head. I think for everyone who has been majorly messed up by any such group some level of soul searching is necessary. When I first tried to get help after my bad experience the psychologists and psychiatrists gave me all this information,
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups
9 years ago
billy77
I think after ending up in the kind of situation where your life is shattered because of these groups, you have to live in a different way. What they try to do to you is get you trapped and bonded to some mind patterns and when you come out you are still trapped in these. It then can feel like you need some other mind stuff to replace their stuff with. I actually think you should try and live thr
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9 years ago
billy77
Oh yeah they love that idea about how you are going to wash cars or whatever and so you can do the next course. The money goes to 1 or 2 guys at the top. In a way it's genius how they have fooled people into working for this business for free. The incentive seems to be that these people are "working on themselves". It's the work of the devil the whole thing.
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
9 years ago
billy77
Hi Pegasus, Thanks for writing. Yes you can feel like you are a terrible person if you don't do the things they say. They use your own humanity against you. It's very hard to shake some of this stuff. They get it into you on a deep level and so even though you might know some better way or desire some better thoughts or feelings, you have all their s**t that they have programm
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups
9 years ago
billy77
What amazes me is how many of these organisations there are that are almost identical. When I first sought help I went to see an old psychiatrist who charged a lot of money per hour. He said that back in the day when it was called EST he had dealt with 5 people who had become psychotic as a result. "I thought I had seen off the last of the EST casualties" was how he put it. They a
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
9 years ago
billy77
They get you to dissociate these pieces of scum. They use methods that will disable your main identity from functioning and so they can install their "program" in you. They effectively install alter personalities while you are reeling from the effects of having your ego boundaries shattered. That's what they are doing. People don't have a clue what is actually going on
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups
9 years ago
billy77
I really appreciated reading these posts. This is the hardest thing to deal with after cult abuse. I guess like ON2 LF says, sometimes I felt like a total joke of a human being how I had become this, how my sense of self was non-existent or completely broken. I actually wondered how this was physical possible to carry on in this state and what was maintaining any of it. I mean really how can a pe
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9 years ago
billy77
I think the biggest problem is how they try and break your ego or your self that you had before you went there. They really go to town with this with their exercises. I mean this is not just some trivial mind idea that you have of yourself but the whole way that the mind and the psyche works to hold together your "I" and the ego. That's why a lot of people end up in that tr
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups
9 years ago
billy77
I think after cult abuse it becomes hard to read anything and take it in properly. You don't trust any teachings or words on a page. What you seek is not knowledge after that if you have been badly burned and traumatised.
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups
9 years ago
billy77
Surely the idea should be to change how we feel about something but without necessarily changing what we think. Have a negative judgement about something but feel powerful and not sick in the stomach. What Katie is trying to do is peculiar. I see that she is trying to help people "suffer" less, but in this way? Particularly this business with this woman and her father. Katie thinks t
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
9 years ago
billy77
Im not sure how she thinks "The Work" can help people. I mean ok, she suffered, had some experience, but it doesn't mean you can save people with some half-baked ideas and some strict parent approach. Particularly this idea that you created the whole business of your incest or abuse or whatever. To me this is repugnant how she is saying this. It's just horseshit. It's lik
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9 years ago
billy77
What happened to me is that I suffered a lot after becoming involved in one of these LGATs. All the usual stuff... massively depressed, anxiety, confused, negative or broken sense of self, etc etc. Dreadful suffering after living a decent life for many years. So I went looking and reading for anything that could help me. I'd never felt the need to seek out this kind of thing before and as I
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9 years ago
billy77
A few final points I'd like to add are in regard to the assistants who work for this organisation for free. Most of them seemed like decent people but clearly they were caught up in this whole thing. I realise some people have a need to be part of some group or community but are there not other alternatives? I think they need to look deeply in themselves and ask a few questions: 1. Do
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
9 years ago
billy77
After reading this site for a few days I am amazed at the number of these organisations that are known as Large Group Awareness Trainings. They all seem like clones of Landmark/EST. A lot of people have been badly affected. Certainly a disproportionate number in relation to how certain and confident these groups are of their methods. So I feel like I should write a bit more about my experience
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
9 years ago
billy77
Thankyou for writing this newfuture. You write a lot of things that I felt when involved with ISA which is another similar type thing to Landmark. I realised the same things as you and it too made me quite ill. Luckily I was able to get out before I got too deep into their bulls$$t system but of course it affected me because I was trusting and willing and information resonates at first.
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups
9 years ago
billy77
Yes I see what you mean. I was thinking more about whether people who are suffering have been transformed by these people and their teachings. I think what Tolle is teaching is actually quite naive and dangerous. Regular depression is bad enough but it doesn't necessarily mean that you should try and dump the ego in order to get over it. What would this do, this attempt to disidentify and
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