Hi corboy, From what I'm reading, your concern is that Landmark is producing ecstasy through unnatural means. And that this is bad because we will then bond with them unnaturally, and be loyal to them when we should not be, and also that this is not something special - it is a manufactured, "assembly line" ecstasy. Also you are concerned that this kind of ecstasy has no &quo
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Hi Rick, On the topic of historical facts - I have not denied any historical facts. I have also not denied that you hold an opinion that you have based on those historical facts. What I am denying is that your opinion, based on those historical facts, is the only opinion possible. I venture to suggest that it is possible to have those same historical facts and also have an opinion that di
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Hi Rick, I am not here to defend Landmark as an apologist. The second part of your assertion is partially true - I didn't come here to have a meaningful discussion, I came here to share my experiences. I entered into this discussion after you claimed my experiences were false, which came as a surprise to me. So my first request is that you accept that my experiences are my experience
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Hi Corboy, It's not a matter of not understanding what they have written. It's a matter of you having drawn certain conclusions about what they have written, and me not knowing what those conclusions are. I read what they write and make quite different conclusions, which are not the ones you intend me to make. My request is that you tell me what conclusions you intended me to dr
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Hi Rick, I just thought of a simpler way to view this conversation. I can see two primary arguments you are putting forward: 1. Some people have had bad experiences with Landmark, and Landmark has sued people (including yourself). Therefore Landmark is mired in controversy, and is therefore inherently bad. 2. I (Brian) am brainwashed by Landmark, and even though I believe that I have g
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Hi Rick, I didn't deny any historical facts. What I did is stated that my interpretation of the historical facts differs from yours. You then interpreted that as me denying historical facts. You also state that I demonstrated an unwillingness or inability to think critically about Landmark. I don't believe I have demonstrated that. So far what has happened is that you have sta
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Hi Rick, I'd like to start by acknowledging you for having a discussion with me. I wasn't sure if you would but you have, so thankyou for that. Your post is rather long and I have limited time, so I will make a few statements of my own as dot points. - Lifespring is not Landmark - The personal experiences of a psychologist who attended Lifespring is anecdotal - Landmark has
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Wow.. this thread was actually started by a good friend of mine, back when I first did the Landmark Forum in 2003. She was worried for me and I can understand why. Now that it's 11 years on I can confidently say that the benefits from the Landmark Forum for me are both positive and permanent, as Landmark claims. I have yet to notice any negative side-effects on myself. I have also seen
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Hi ConcernedandSad, As a Landmark graduate myself I hope I can offer advice on how to approach him. The kinds of questions you can ask that will have him respond to you and open up to you. 1. What is most important to you in life? 2. What is the biggest thing you got from the Landmark Forum? 3. Who am I to you? Listening to the answers may be difficult at times, but getting inside
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