separating the quotes messed up. Here is what I posted. The projected anger is definitely alienating me. That is for sure. Anger is proper when it is kept in check. Not as it is unchecked lately... I am sorry to disagree with some of you here... Anger within reason and purpose is very needed... Beyond that is destructive. The anger that goes unchecked on this website is extremely
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Quotequestion ladyQuoteQuote"Rswinters1 SaneAgian. I just checked the dates that we both came to this website. We both came in the same month and year. I hope you will get to a place where the anger is less for you in this matter. I have experienced your anger first hand already. So, it will not surprise me if you choose to let me see it agian in your posts. Your very angry,
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QuoteSaneAgainRswinters wrote: Quote I hope the best for your recovery from Quest in your life. God Bless you. Rswinters God bless me? If I may quote Richard Dawkins: “The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, h
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QuoteSaneAgain...Remember that people reading this particular thread, which is about quest, may not be at that stage, and may not have read the entire board yet. They are still learning, they are still interested in these aspects, even if you aren't. They may also be be angry, and want to express anger. Anger is a symptom of PTSD and PTSD is a known effect of lgats. You were left in peace
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QuoterrmoderatorRswinters: You have repeatedly gone off topic. Focus like a laser on the specific topic of this thread or leave. Preaching your religious views is against the rules. Any further going on about your religion will result in banning. This is the very last warning you will be given. I am focused on exposing LGAT's and the recovery from them. Is this not the su
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QuoteSaneAgainRswinters, I welcomed you to post on this thread about relationships, within the context of lgats. That was in order to be gracious so as to overcome our previous disagreement in which you caused a conflict by preaching your religious views and making unpleasant personal comments about me, and also because I thought you would have the good sense and common courtesy to keep whatever
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If anger at LGAT's is all that is wanted to be heard on this forum? There is no need for Rick to ban me. The anger is needed, and I recognize the need for it in recovery. But, I am at the crossroad in my recovery where this anger is needing to be transformed to something more productive in my life. Staying this angry over my LGAT experiece is not helping me. It is hurting me mor
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QuoterrmoderatorRswinters: You have repeatedly gone off topic. Focus like a laser on the specific topic of this thread or leave. Preaching your religious views is against the rules. Any further going on about your religion will result in banning. This is the very last warning you will be given. Rick. So for me to remain on topic requires me to only share in an angry way about LG
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Even in my faith there is no room to blame the devil for my behavior. In the bible it states that the devil tempts me with what is within me, and entices those parts of me with temptation. If what I am being tempted to do is not something that can entice me? It will not be a temptation to do. I understood this in my life way before I even heard of LGAT’s in my life. This same bible also tell
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I came to this website very angry over my LGAT involvement and the destruction it brought to my life by applying its philosophy to my life. I have worked through much of the anger and have seen how all LGAT's are carbon copies of each other. The destruction in my life is not unique as it is very similar to many members who have shared on this website. I still can get very angry at the
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I have just took a quick look at what I posted. I do not see where I was saying what is being stated was said in my posts. All I was doing was sharing about myself, and asking others to share accordingly. I did not slam what has been shared by many on this forum about how messed up LGAT's are being. I shared from my experience, and what I am discovering. I asked for others to shar
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QuoteSaneAgainRs, you're walking a very fine line here. Anyone can look at their life and find a problem that might have pushed them towards an lgat. But what you are saying is leaning quite heavily towards the idea of 'being at cause' for getting into an lgat. If others want to do that, that is okay by me. But I will not, and I don't like the tone you're taking on th
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SaneAgian... Please don't take this issue and create a huge stink over it. I shared what I shared and it was not intended as you took it. Please keep our posts in a place of consideraton of all views shared with a respect that you want for yours as well. I have heard your views very aggressively shared on this forum. You are very vocal in your views as I am. Please do not take
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What drew me to Klemmer was the false hope of relational bliss that could be created in my life as I applied Klemmers philosophy in my life. Well, it was just that "False Hope". The reality is there are people that are abusive, and it is not a matter of changing the meaning I am placing on behavior. Abuse is abuse and is abuse no matter how you slice it. The only answe
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QuoteskepticOne more thing, the fact that subjects don't know they've been indoctrinated is what makes it very tricky to deprogram. Also, I have presented a lot of this information to my programmed sister and she CANNOT see what happened. THAT IS SCARY! She takes the lgat at face value and repeatedly tells me that what they taught is valid stuff, straight out of ancient philosophy or
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Brian miller is in his late 40's and he is in and out of relationships in his life. He is a powerfully dynamic facilitator for Klemmer & Associates. Yet he is shallow and empty where intimate relationships go. If this man is so wonderful as he pretends to be. He would not be a single man as he is at present. His love life is kept off the radar. But, I have seen enough to kn
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QuoteskepticQuoteThe Shadow It is frightening that the LGATs are producing a whole breed of these people. What I am curious about is how they even manage to relate to each other! HAHAHAHA! It's not funny but I like how you put that. It's too true. Lgats take perfectly good people & screw them all up. I think your question is an excellent one: how do lgat-infected people
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QuoteSaneAgain Rswinters, did Klemmer use the phrase "going into effect" or did they have another word for it?... Not the same phrase was used in Klemmer. I can't remember the exact phase used. "At Cause" was definitely used in the context being discussed on how LGAT's view what being at cause is. The "Victim vs Responsible"
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QuoteThe Shadowhey there rswinters1 :lol: poop IMPACT, very good, what that an intentional pun? 'shad' Absolutely intentional. :D :D
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Quote"question lady"Bravo Mr. Rswinters. You seem to be seeing clearly and taking care of yourself. I'm cheering for you. Thank you very much. Facing this in me is the hardest, and the most alone that I have felt in my life. Considering that I have always felt on the outside of life, and relationships my whole life. Facing the emptiness from this infected emotional
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Thanks Ezdoezit... It is nice to have the spam cleared out. You are doing a good job...
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SaneAgian. I hope your okay with my posts on here. Maxui posts stirred this up in me. I have been wanting to share it on this website anyway. I was just debating about how to begin it, and where to place it. If it was to much venting on my part? I apologize and will try to not vent so much where it is not wanted. Thanks for your consideration ahead of time on this matter.
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I posted this letter that just mailed to my mother this week. I live less than a mile from her and have much emotional work to do in my life in the near future. Yet this has been posted in an attempt to help expose LGAT's for the messed up aspects of how they influence their participants to interact. There is no in depth evaluation of where people are at emotionally. There is an assu
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August 23, 2007 Dear Mom, I have been working on a response to your voicemail left on July 5th requesting a joint session with my counselor. I will set one in time, and will let you know when we will meet. I would like to be the initiator in this process. I also want to acknowledge that I have received your emails sent on August 10, and 13th. I have been struggling with how you have fail
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SaneAgian. I have really been taking myself on since my atomic destruction that erupted in my life from Klemmer philosophy application upon my life. Unfortunately. I am not able to come from a place of being healthy emotionally going in. I do have extreme abuse and trauma in my childhood. As my soon to be ex-wife has also in her past. So it was very hard not to buy into the mindset
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Quote"The Shadow"rswinters, sorry, i did not do the quote thingy, my :lol: was in reference to your comment about the duckss poop hitting the deck, 'shad' Did the poop impact startle you enough to mess up your posting?? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Quote"rrmoderator"A new software will be in place soon. There is no spam conspiracy, just the usual problems with spammers. The LGAT section is the most popular and posted on, so the spammers post there. I remember ezdozit mentioned this before. So you mean that the spam is targeted to the LGAT thread only because of the volume of hits on the thread versus the topic of
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It is very odd how only the Large Group Awareness Training "Human Potential" Seminars is being bombarded as Ezdoesit has stated how this is so. Even though it is just normal stuff per moderators. It does reveal a pattern that can't be denied in it though. It says loud and clear that this LGAT forum is doing a good job at exposing LGAT's. If it was not doing so.
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Please don't see this as attacking you. I am discovering that I have been focused on your very same question from the other angle. Why did my LGAT experience fail so miserably and create such destruction in my life? Which is the same question your asking, and is just a mirrored oposite question. I have discovered in my venting on this website. This is the wrong question and can�
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Maxui wrote: I was interested to find out why when my experience was very positive others found it extremely damaging... Quote Maxui, maybe the better question to is here is. Is it a healthy seminar for participants to be involved in that has these opposing results on participants lives? My Therapist continuously stops me when I want to debate with him why something is so messed up in c
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