Quote... that evangelical money grabbing event in kirkby stadium with Reinhart Bonkers ... I remember that well. I was a member of one of the other main organising churches at the time (another abusive church, but not as extreme as Kirkby), and we were expecting an evangelistic event. The whole thing turned out to be just a fundraiser for Bonnke (what a name, eh). It was so embarrassing. We
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PS. It was about 15 years ago that I met the folk from the Everton Revival Centre.
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You're doing good, Dave!
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I once had some dealings with a church in Liverpool, England, called the Revival Centre. I think it was Everton Revival Centre. Their main teaching was that speaking in tongues was the only proof of being truly born again (their prooftext was John 3:3). Wonder if this was the same organisation?
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Hi, everyone. Good to see many more new people coming this way and sharing their experiences. I have updated the website with some snippets from this forum, as well as some observations on control tactics I witnessed myself at the Fellowship.
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Welcome, Flower. QuoteLike everyone else here on this site ( apart from Liverpool writer ) was hurt very badly, and left. Yes. Just to clarify for everyone, I was never personally involved with KCF. I did attend a handful of meetings (the teachings were classic manipulation). However, it was a close family member who was involved for about three years, and had a breakdown when it dawned on h
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QuoteNot everyone here believes the same and proselytizing is against the rules. Again, remember that what works for one person may not work for another. And criteria for determining whether a group is potentially unsafe, is based upon behavior not belief, at least at this site. Thanks, Mod. I was about to say the same myself. A few people seem to be taking it for granted that this is a Chri
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Hey, BrokenbyCheryl, sending out some thoughts/prayers/good vibes. :)
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"I have felt there was bullying and judgment going on ..." Well, I'm still baffled. :/
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Just bumping this up, as there seems to be a blank page four at the moment...!
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QuoteI think the way you have judged and bullied someone on this site, to the point where they won't return, is unfortunate and makes me sad. Hi, Polar Bear. Can you point to some actual instances of bullying on this thread? I looked back over the thread and couldn't see any evidence of it at all. If it's there, please help me see.
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Onlyme and Polar Bear, I'm a bit puzzled, to be honest. I really don't know what you think equates to bullying on here. Onlyme made a judgment on us for "slagging off" KCF, and I for one corrected that.
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Onlyme, I can only think that there was a problem with blogger.com, or you simply viewed a cache (from your own computer) of the page. Onlyme, I'm afraid you sealed the reaction you would get when you used those words "slagging off". Can you imagine telling a rape victim to stop "slagging off" their abuser? I mean no judgment on you personally when I say that kind of l
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Onlyme, I have not removed any comments from my website. I think you'll find the comments you referred to under this post. I assume you just forgot where you had posted it! By characterising the site as "slagging off" KCF, you are playing right into the hands of the abusers. It is a public site making public allegations because abuse is wrong and MUST be exposed. It is no virtue
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Hi, folks, it's terrible to read of all your experiences. It is amazing that this kind of thing goes on and the community is more or less blind to it. Even other Kirkby church leaders seem to have taken the softly-softly approach and have never dared rock the boat. My site is back up, by the way - some will have noticed it has been down for a few months. The url now is kirkbyfellowship.bl
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The young man I spoke to was about 16 or 17 years old. This was in about 1993, when the group were very active in Liverpool. He was deprived of food on the basis of the Bible verse that says, "if any man will not work, he shall not eat". If x amount of comics were not sold in a day, he would not be allowed to eat. He also had reason to believe he was sexually abused in some way. H
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Update 2012: It appears that the "Jesus Christians" group led by Dave McKay has changed its name to the "Truth Believers" and has a new Web site. See I had some dealings with a cult about ten years ago. I have not been able to find out much about them since, but here are the facts I have. 1. They called themselves simply "the Christians". 2. They origina
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To my knowledge, I am the only person currently taking steps to expose publicly the activities of Kirkby Christian Fellowship in Knowsley, Merseyside, UK. In my first website about the group, I included their homepage within a frame. They changed the code on their website, however, so that any frame linking to them would automatically refresh to a full page. In effect, they engineered it so my
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