One of the things I saw as a child in this cult was hypocrisy and people insisting upon "do as I say not as I do." Hypocrisy is one of the things I have the biggest objection to even all these years later. A separate question: Does Onion get to decide what is discussed here? If so I didn't realize a forum, started before she blew out, was hers to control. My experiences
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FireWalker Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > For some reason, when I sent hargrave a follow > request on IG, it got approved. > > Now I have yet another forum to figure out how the > hell it works. Haha. Getting old is for the birds. Just saw his IG is deactivated. As a smart person asked . . . I wonder why. And thank the universe I don
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For some reason, when I sent hargrave a follow request on IG, it got approved. Now I have yet another forum to figure out how the hell it works. Haha. Getting old is for the birds.
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ONION I'm working my way backwards so if you answered this I hope to find it. If you didn't answer earlier, have you come to understand why attacking women who brought lawsuits is highly misplaced and cult like behavior? Are you now keeping to facts and valid legal points? My hope is you also are encouraging people who may have claims to bring and not discouraging people.
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Hi ya! Trying to catch up on reading here. Hope everyone is well. I have a forum etiquette question - I started a FB page "Hargrave Ministries is a Cult" mostly so If someone searched "Hargrave Ministries" the "is a cult" might be in their returned search list. I'd like to put a link on that FB page to this forum but didn't know how moderatoe
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NancyB Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I know that many families had donated family > inheritance for the specific purpose of a nursing > home. ( Designated funds.) I had called around for > lawyers in Iowa but got no one so far interested > in taking a case. > > Can you give me tips on the wording on where to > find the correct l
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JesusJesusJesus Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The minutes from the 1/20 Kalona City Council > meeting show that the sale and developmentof the > Shiloh property, pending annexation, will likely > move forward. > > And this is why it remains important to ENCOURAGE everyone with any type of claim to seek legal advice. Discouraging peo
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hopeandlove Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Did you know that Onion lives with John Miller for > several years in San Diego right behind the San > Diego Church. I understood that to be the case. So I ask again: was Onion forthright with this group that she has close ties to John Miller? Why does it matter? Because Onion's attempts to d
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NancyB Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Welcome, FireWalker, > I'm always thrilled to have another honest person > add more pieces to this puzzle. Thanks NancyB
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Thanks for the welcome Cloudwatcher. CEI got a mention(ish) on a tweet today. Thanks mods and CEI for providing people a place to talk and a source of info. Let me know if it's not okay to post external links. Since there's a world icon it looks like links are okay???? Politics trigger warning if you click: Tweet with CEI mention(ish) ETA: Intent of this post is to give CE
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kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This entire forum . . . everything to do with > a false narrative pitched on 'its' behalf, with > all the attendant abuses. > Hi kBOY, I should have hung out here more then to have exposure to the LIGHT and LOVE. Which reminds me of a line from one of my favorite songs: "Sometimes dar
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hi Firewalker, > I welcome anyone who I perceive operates in good > faith, as I sense you do. > Disagreements with those that manipulate a > conversation to arrive at an acceptable > conclusion, I try to stay clear of. > I think in the 12 years or so I have written in > this forum, I hav
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > When you were labeled "an enemy of the church" by > Miller, presumably representing G & M, and > conditioned like most of us to perceive it as > coming from God...even if internally it made no > sense...that conditioning is difficult to shake. > It definitely contributes to the a
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NancyB Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It is good to keep these things in mind, > Firewalker, Reep, and Kbyne > > I'm going to go out on a limb again to state my > experience with the leadership, again. I DID on a > number of occasions tell the Bro about Mandatory > reporting before 1983. I had my mandatory > reporting certif
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kbyrne Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > FireWalker: > > I think I may need to read your post a few times, > but my first impression is that it is very well > thought out and it also conveys a level of emotion > that's palpable. I left the walk around the same > time as you, though I don't believe I knew you. I > knew Ma
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kbyrne Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > FireWalker: > > I think I may need to read your post a few times, > but my first impression is that it is very well > thought out and it also conveys a level of emotion > that's palpable. I left the walk around the same > time as you, though I don't believe I knew you. I > knew Ma
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Reepicheep Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Quote > Posted by: FireWalker > Date: January 16, 2020 09:17PM > > (3) Were your posts on this forum about insurance > meant to also discourage people from seeking to > assert their legal claims against tlwf? If not, > what was the purpose? I am a former insurance > coverage litigator
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Lilith Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > And now the onion will be off screaming foul to > the moderator in 3 2 1. To the moderator; we can > back up these complaints with screenshots from the > Further discussion group on Facebook, the meddling > and demeaning is very clear in her own words. Isn't running to the moderator a form of ru
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Folks this is gonna be a long one . . . . Hi Onion aka Mary Wyatt, To be on fair ground, I am outing myself in this forum. This is Jennifer Payne. Background to my questions: (1) Above you speak of Nazis. Part of what Nazis did was a disinformation campaign the fermented misunderstandings about people and their experiences. (2) You’ve previously disclosed that you are, or have been
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Reepicheep Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Welcome back, FireWalker. Yes, that is correct. > Because of current statutes of limitations for > reporting child sexual abuse, civil suits are the > option that is available. So diabolical that > people were told not to report and that "it would > be handled internally"...whatever th
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NancyB Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Firewlaker did you see this ? > > [0]=33.%7B%22logging_data%22%3A%7B%22page_id%22%3A114665075250432%2C%22event_type%22%3A%22clicked_all_page_posts%22%2C%22impression_info%22%3A%22eyJmIjp7InBhZ2VfaWQiOiIxMTQ2NjUwNzUyNTA0MzIiLCJpdGVtX2NvdW50IjoiMCJ9fQ%22%2C%22surface%22%3A%22www_pages_home%22%2C%22interacted_story
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NancyB Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > For those newbies wondering about the long list of > issues on top of the the breaking news of the > filing of charges In CA, thanks to Onion who wrote > it out so succinctly and clearly. > > I refer you to posts 699 to 702 for more real gems > many people never knew- its a few tangled web of &g
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Thank you Cloudwatcher for your answer on the possible location of the tlfw bullshit letters. And thanks to The Little Red Flag for capturing the latest b.s. Man, I wish I found you all soooooo long ago. Would have helped...maybe.
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Someone mentioned the tlwf bullshit letters from early Oct are posted here. Does anyone have pdf copies of them they can share? New to this forum so no worries if my random ask is met with silence. I just didn't down load one of the two letters and am pissed I didn't. Thanks to everyone who have been posting here and on Facebook. Wish I found you all sooner.
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Hi Former SDA, I am really sorry to hear your story. Sadly by the sounds of it you are not alone with this. I myself have some knowledge of the Autumn Leaves ministry which you speak of. Some of the points you raise and other points I know of myself do tend towards cult like aspects. However, I think that maybe the followers themselves rather than the leaders are the ones that have personalitie
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