I'm not avoiding anything, just trying to argue at a level you can understand. The essence of our discussion is where the ancestors of American Indians came from. You said "It's been established by science, history, anthropology and research. Go to any history or anthropology department at a college or university outside of Utah and they will explain this to you." Actual
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Rick, You quoted one anthropologist, Tom Murphy, as saying "DNA data, as well as anthropological studies, indicate American Indians are descended from Northeast Asians who migrated across the Bering Sea between 7,000 and 50,000 years ago." The CSM report quotes another anthropologist from Penn State saying that they migrated from Central Asia. Which is Central Asia or Northeast Asia?...
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Why do you think the ancestors of American Indians came from Asia?
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Take a closer look at this quote rrmoderator. Read it carefully. "...says Mark Shriver, a professor of anthropology at Penn State and a consultant for DNAPrint. Native Americans are believed to have immigrated from central Asia thousands of years ago. These same central Asians also migrated into eastern Europe, meaning that her "native American" DNA could have come from there,
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rrmoderator, It seems you have decided to bring this discussion to a close. I'm not very surprised because I have yet to find anyone active in he anti-Mormon community willing to debate the facts and you are clearly no exception. The question remains as to who you think your fooling. The word is out. Just this month the Christian Science Monitor published a story on genetic testing that r
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One final word with regard to the conclusions of scientists. In most cases the news articles cited by rrmoderator do not reference any specific study or statement by any scientist with regard to Native American DNA and the Book of Mormon. The vast majority of scientists have never expressed an opinion and would be reluctant to do so as it would tend to bias their future work. Many scientists, who
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Hi rrmoderator, Let me get this straight. You now want me to cite a single published research paper that states, as a conclusion, that Jews ... No, ancient Israelites...are genetically linked to American Indians. Is that what you are requesting? There is no research, that I am aware of, that even covers ancient Israelite DNA; ie, DNA recovered from ancient Israelite remains. If you
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It has occurred to me that I may not have provided complete footnotes. So here they are. ___________________________________________________________ STATEMENT: Despite denials, the genetic link between Jews and American Indians has been established fact since 1999 [1]. STUDY: [1] Hammer et al, 1999, Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome bialle
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rrmoderator, The 2005 Hammer study clearly states that 31% of American Indians in the US belong to the Q-P36 lineage group. The 2004 Behar study clearly states that 5% of Askenazi Jews belong to the Q-P36 lineage group. What is the problem? It's like pulling teeth to get you to acknowledge basic facts. This makes intelligent debate over the meaning of these facts very difficult.
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Hi rrmoderator, None of the sources you cite is a published scientific research paper. They are all news reports. So I really don't see your point. Are you claiming that news journalists like Lobdell and Patty Henetz are better sources than Behar, Hammer, Zegura, or Shen? All of the guys I cite have published research. They are connected to academic institutions like the University of Ari
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Hi Wright_Again, I am not excluding Sephardic Jews. So far as I know, Q is not found in Sephardic Jews. Virtually all modern Jews are descendants of migrant groups and migrant groups more often than not are not perfect genetic snapshots of the populations from which they came. The fact of Jewish Q-P36 may be interpreted in a number of ways. In order for that discussion to take place, however,
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It is clear from the total lack of detailed evidence in your posts that you know nothing about the DNA research relating to American Indians and Jews. Since you are so ill-equiped to argue on this subject, why do you insist on posting? Who do you think your'e fooling? So far, none of you have been able to provide even the most feeble explanation as to why Jews and Native Americans share the
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To find Jewish and American Indian genetic links, go to Ysearch and check out the Q-P36 modals for Ashkenazi Jews, Native Americans, and Norse Q. In 1996 Stanford researchers led by Peter Underhill PhD calculated the age of the primary native American lineage Q-M3 at 2147 years before present (BP).(Underhill 1996) He used an observed Y mutation rate of 2.1 per 1,000. Underhill did not acce
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About 66% of all Amerindians share a common male ancestor identified by the M3 Y-chromosome. M3 is not found in Siberia except a small area of the Chuktoka peninsula adjacent to Alaska where it is generally believed to be the result of Alaska to Siberia migration of recent date. Recently a mutation called M242 was found to be ancestral to M3 and was used to put an upper limit on the migration to
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