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11 years ago
elena
Remember, these cults/groups are adept at worming their way in to whatever is most important to you and whatever frightens you the most. Once they know this, and participants offer this information up quite easily, they can twist and twist you psychologically until you are all tied up in knots. Which is exactly what they want. At that point you are theirs to manipulate. You become dependent o
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
11 years ago
elena
I wonder how much of this they learned from the corporate cults: The New York Times May 17, 2009 What Does Your Credit-Card Company Know About You? By CHARLES DUHIGG Rudy Santana’s day began recently, as almost all his working days begin, with a name on a screen. The name that April morning belonged to a Massachusetts man in his mid-30s. He owed money on a credit card and a sec
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11 years ago
elena
QuoteWIZARDdon't seem to be getting the hang of this posting .. but my observations are that elena's response to disconnect is pretty accurate ... the kernal of truth & value in these releasing programs seems to be easily warped and twisted to create an imbalance in life for the "rabid" adherents ... the focus shifts to SELF and any consideration for others, and the agony
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11 years ago
elena
QuotedisconnectThanks for noticing my ID. Disconnect is a song from the hit game "In the Groove" which I used to play a lot. I've never been to a Sedona seminar. I bought the book for $17 at a book store, and enjoy using the method. It works for me in my daily life, and I am grateful I found it. Ellen, you called the Sedona Method a "mind-numbing and stupifying, covertl
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
11 years ago
elena
QuotedisconnectI am sorry for your respective losses and can understand your resentments. My dad went to a jazz camp when I was a boy and met a woman there who was his 'music' partner. It became an affair and eventually he divorced my mother and married the new woman. In this situation, I feel that if that is the way he is, my mom is probably better off without him, no matter how bad it
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11 years ago
elena
QuotecorboyCould it be that trolling RR.com is a way to get promotion within certain organizations? That way, if a person gets abused later on in that organization and leaves, they may feel afraid to come onto RR.com fearing they made themselves unwelcome by loyally trolling here for their organization--before discovering said organization set them up for abuse. It's probably the
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
11 years ago
elena
QuotecaligariOne activity is predominant in Amhebera writing: the professed feeling of the pain, sympathy and identity to those who've not had good outcomes from Landmark. Dollars to donuts he's going with the Landmark brainwash ~Landmark isn't for everybody~ and that the losers who fall by the wayside are too stupid, weak-willed, and dull to ~see the possibilities~ or some ot
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11 years ago
elena
QuoteAmheberaQuoteON2 LFI'm having trouble believing Amhebera is a newbie Landmark grad. Amhebera is a bit too smooth and polished in their comments to be a zealous newbie. I'm thinking Amhebera has been to a few more than just one forum. I'd go so far as to guess that he/she has probably sat in the back of the room, as a volunteer, taking notes monitoring the real newbies, with th
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
11 years ago
elena
...Seems to me that Amhebera is using us to try out/on the ~no position~ thingie -- ~positionality~ being the big no-no for a newly-minted Landmark "grad." I'd just like to point out to you, Amhebera, that removing or discounting or abandoning your ~position~ (point of view, opinions, beliefs, assumptions, etc., etc.) can be an extremely useful educational step, they also can an
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
11 years ago
elena
QuoteAmhebera So, here's my question for you. Do you want debate, or would you prefer not? We've heard it all before, Amhebera. Some of us have been cult (Landmark) watching for decades. Despite what you've been led to believe, it's not a debate when one of the sides has been brainwashed by his new-found ~awareness,~ "enlightenment," or "wisdo
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
11 years ago
elena
QuoteAmhebera But I have no problems with people who dislike it. It's very much a personal choice and there are many valid reasons to dislike the landmark form. I would like to suggest to you that you re-examine your thought here concerning what exactly constitutes a "choice" and how the concept of "choice" is both elemental to Landmark's cult-type program
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
11 years ago
elena
QuoteThe monolithI'm not going to discount anything. The breaking up of a family is never a good time. I cannot comment on your individual situation nor any of the others' as I'm only getting one side of the story here. All I can comment on are my experiences and I've only seen great things come out of the work we do within these seminars including couples cancelling divorce
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11 years ago
elena
Landmark and similar groups prick the seeds of narcissism that lie dormant, tamped down, controlled, or ignored in most of us. They cruelly worm their way in to mostly hidden or secret longings for specialness, superiority, elite status, and/or power over others -- longings that may or may not seem fairly standard on the face of things but that are malignant at their roots, purportedly born of s
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11 years ago
elena
QuotesomethnewI remember wanted to joke about "wearing the jacket" that I was going to stretch it out. I got real close to saying the joke, but I held back. I didn't think they'd like it. now, I know they wouldn't. I just finished the three days yesterday. I was euphoric saturday, I had "shared" and cried in front of 164 people. (some really hot chicks i
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11 years ago
elena
Good job, Lars. They deserve to be buried. The only thing good I can say about these sociopaths is that they have raised the level of awareness of coercive influence, persuasion, formulaic emotional manipulation, and mass mind control. Now lots of people know how to recognize them and fight back. Ellen
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11 years ago
elena
Gee... A ~personal development company~ started by a con man in which other con men find a "philosophical" home where there are no ~victims~ or victims ~create their own reality.~ Is it any surprise a criminal sociopath would fit right in with the other sociopath leaders at Landmark and proceed to "fleece the flock?" Too bad for him he couldn't distinguish the obvi
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
11 years ago
elena
... Amazing that this uneducated and inarticulate third-rate intellect continues to inspire the slavering devotion of his pathetic little group of fans. (But not so amazing when you think of the other clowns, like Rush Limbo, who have accomplished the same thing.) Ellen
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11 years ago
elena
Wahhhhh! Sign me up! (Seriously, you'd think PSI would ask these people to refrain from posting themselves to the internet as they are likely to scare prospects away. It has been observed more than a few times that these programs shave twenty points off your IQ. Surely these two didn't have twenty points to spare.) Ellen
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11 years ago
elena
Here's a recent review of a book on theoretical physics from the New York Times in which the writer refers to "a cult called EST:" "...In his new book, “The Black Hole War: My Battle With Stephen Hawking to Make the World Safe for Quantum Mechanics,” Susskind’s cosmos gets even weirder. Black holes already seemed scary enough, with their ability to swallow everything, i
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12 years ago
elena
Quotejohnc925Greetings, I'm a new graduate to the second level (Realize) program. Do you personally call yourself "graduate" or are you accepting the corporation's label and manipulative form of implied status elevation? Do you think people outside the group would or might call you "graduate" in the sense of "college graduate" or "high school g
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12 years ago
elena
Quoteyasmin ...Am not sure about the theory that people attracted to LGATs are narcissists though. If I remember correctly,(and sorry can't find the original study:will see if I can track it down at some point ) someone did a study on personality types amongst cult members and found they were typical of outside society,and did not show signs of any particular personality disorder. In the
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12 years ago
elena
Quoteblujayne I keep hearing abut the 94% of people who have a positive experience. 94% seems like an awfully large number. This number comes from those exit poll throw-away surveys that people fill out at the end of these "seminars" when they are mostly tired and want to get to their cars. It takes more energy to put together a thoughtful critique and people usually just check the
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12 years ago
elena
Quotenettie Pro landmarkers have a very hard time to take in the "truth" about landmark. They shy away from it. One particularly astute young defector from scientology, when asked what was the most egregious fault in the scientology program, answered, "They teach people to lie." L. Ron Hubbard is famously remembered for pointing out that "THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CON
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
12 years ago
elena
In addition, and something that should concern you: Cults are about stupidity as much as anything else. They proffer a type of dumbed-down thinking, quickie philosophy, simpleton knowledge, cliched thinking, formulaic "logic," and instant or pre-digested conclusions. They offer a lazy man's intellectual product for people who don't want to do the hard work of figuring thi
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12 years ago
elena
Quotegreygoosesfbmoore my ex girlfriend (born and raised catholic) cheated on me with a paster from her theater group using your thinking should i blame the church or the theater for the breakup? perhaps it was just her not honoring our relationship because she lacks charictor and not any thing else church, theater or HAI for that matter i once know a bad cop does that mean that the polic
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12 years ago
elena
Just to add a thought: It's good that Landmarkers arrive here from time to time to post their badly thought-out and poorly reasoned, formulaic attempts at what L. Ron Hubbard and Werner Erhard referred to as ~handling upsets.~ "Elaine's" is just another such lame-assed try. Superficially, it appears to be normal or conventional advice. In reality it is exactly as describ
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
12 years ago
elena
QuoteElaineMakeup - get yourself a job in the meantime, how else will you support your husband? And resolve any issues first by communicating with your husband's employer, then with an attorney, if the chat with the employer bears no successful outcome for both of you (you and his employer). No one is allowed to force people into taking the Landmark Forum - however, no one can also preclude
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12 years ago
elena
.....and oh, another thing: Since you call yourself "Poweraddict," is it possible that they played you for that desire? See, cults market status to the ordinary, love to the lonely, family to the alienated, wealth to the impoverished, and power the the powerless. It's no big leap that there are thousands of these people just waiting to be taken advantage of in every community.
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12 years ago
elena
QuotepoweraddictYes and it will continue. And? Why don't you do exactly the same? Move on? I was a slave, yes, I paid a lot of money, yes. My brain also was washed... yes. I spent 2 years. I did the Forum 3 times, 2 more as Supervisor Apprentice,. Communication Course Introduction Leader, all the Seminars and bla, bla bla. And? Well it took me two years to get over the experi
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12 years ago
elena
QuoteharaAnyone heard of this? A woman I know as a highly accomplished coach recommended it highly. So I looked at the website ... has some familiar LGAT-style features from what I can see. Just looks like another version of scientology, which most of these are, to one degree or another. I especially like the "free MP3 on ~creating~ $10,000 in you bank-account." The en
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