Freda_Last, I watched the short version. It looks to me as if she was trying to obscure the points that people make about G.T.'s potential destructiveness by arguing over definitions. The joke about the cool-aid was in very bad taste.
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Once again, corboy has nailed it. The only things that I would add are that: 1). Even when you say "no," if you continue to hang out with your bf/gf/boss, they are likely to try to install bits and pieces of their software when your back is turned.  Graduates have a tendency to take on L.E. methods of dealing with people,  so you pick up "fleas." 2). If you go as far
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corboy is correct. Also, you are better off simply saying "no," and stressing that you have absolutely ZERO interest. If you give your would-be recruiter reasons for why you cannot attend, they are trained to magically come up with "solutions" to every obstacle. In the seminars, the seminar leaders train particpants to recruit through the use of role-playing. They pass
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When they demonstrated the choice exercise, (chocolate/ vanilla), I saw it as a lesson to take what's available, and make the best of it. Not a bad point, and it's a great skill to have a good attitude in the face of disappointments. The problem I had was when they paired us up, and we had to "choose" a situation that we were really upset about. This could be a betrayal, o
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As to the "Chocolate or Vanilla" choice, it was presented somewhat differently in my forum. In the first round, the participant chooses between the two flavors, and the reason he gives is allowed to stand. In the second round, the flavor of preference is taken away, and the participant is offered only the flavor they like the least, and again told to choose. They are then asked a
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Throughmyeyes, I don't know the answer to that. I found myself doing that when I was there, as well, even if i was exhausted and didn't feel well, (or was bored). It didn't seem like a conscious decision, but felt automatic. I think it might be part of our social upbringing - the staff smiles, so we smile back? It's almost as if society (inadvertently) programs us to sm
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Okay, I'll just go ahead and paste these links. Sam Vaknin can be gross but informative.  This is basically what you'll get. They will withhold, and don't care how it was for you because  many prefer onanism over the real thing anyway.
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Also, as pointed out by Throughmyeyes, to even hint that subordinates at work should have relations with a supervisor or boss is a glaring ethical violation. I would imagine that someone will eventually sue. Maybe that will help to bring more public exposure to the dark underbelly of these LGATS.
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cryst-oh, What you may be lacking here is context. Married people go into LGATS, and often end up with their marriages falling apart. There are many different types of love, and in most, a sexual relationship would be inappropriate. In the context of a life partner, a monogamous sexual relationship is healthy, expected and normal. I don't care what people on the outside of my S.O.
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cryst-oh Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I think sex and love are two very different > things. They are. I have no argument with that. The problem I have, (along with many others), is in ihe context of marriage or significant other relationships. In these relationships, most people prefer monogamy. This preference seems to be hard-wired into the majo
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Carboy wrote: "More and more, we are ready to recognize the extent to which our behavior and decision making is being affected by social media." Yes, and anything seen on social media definitely needs to be taken with a grain of salt. One of the things that scares me about this is that we really have no idea of who is actually sitting at that other, unseen computer. I have
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Truth2Myth, I am staying away from all of them. I have also become almost hyper-aware of the difference between and LGAT/cult, and other, "ordinary" metaphysical and spiritual teachers. I can "feel" it without even having to think about it. I then confirm with facts. I had a teacher for years, (before my LGAT experience), who used meditation, chanting, and other typi
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Yes, and when they have you in the sleep-deprived state, they engage you in conversations that seem designed to tie your mind in knots more than anything else. I never saw any brilliant, "bolt of lightening" solutions offered up. If you were frustrated in achieving a goal, the solution was often to change or redefine the goal. The conversations seemed to drift away from your origi
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LOL - I'm sure that little gem was music to the ears of the sexually incontinent. To everyone else it's pretty much diet sex, and a diet relationship.
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...or in a nutshell: Sex is every bit as empty and meaningless as everything else,and so is love.
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From what I saw, they pretty much disconnect sex from love, but I did not take the sex seminar, (and they did have one). It seems to me that their view of sex is purely physical/ mechanical, with none of the deeper dimensions connected to it. What they tell you in the forum is that sex is like two slot machines facing each other, and you consider yourself lucky if you both hit the jackpot at
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corboy - Yes! And another little nugget: they tell you to "sleep fast!," as if you need one more thing to PREVENT relaxation. Of course, with their odd precision in language, that can be taken in two different ways, but in the context and tone it was used, they were saying "Hurry up and sleep!" It made me feel as if they were stressing that I didn't have time to sle
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"Promotes unconscious living" is about right. They think of it as "conscious living," but when I think about the stuff they defend, it seems to me that what they actually do is to take the lowest, basest, impulse-based behaviors that they can identify, for you and everyone else. Then they come up with rationalizations for it all. Once you have gotten really good at ma
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rrmoderator, I understand what you are saying about the manipulative interactions, the thinking patterns, and the philosophy. How we can recognize what they are doing, and what they did, and avoid it in the future. I have also seen some things written about neurological effects. Is there any way to repair that, or do you not believe that those effects actually occur?
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Thank you, rrmoderator, I have your book. It is great. I will look at those parts again.
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Throughmyeyes, That's very good news, in my opinion, that you were able to drive past his car without falling apart. It sounds like you are healing with your sense of self still intact. Bravo! There's no telling when or if he will ever get out. Even if he walks away, he will still have what someone else I used to post with called "fleas," until he addresses them with a p
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Throughmyeyes, It seemed to be part of the formula. From my observations, at least part of the formula goes something like this: 1) Cause a "breakdown," accompanied by confusion. When I was in the "Assisting Program," they gave me and others tasks, but would then set us up to fail. This was often accomplished by giving people two different sets of conflicting instruction
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Throughmyeyes~ To the best of my understanding, a racket is a persistent complaint. They would also go on to say that it is accompanied by a persistent behavior. In other words, someone complains about the same thing over and over, but keeps behaving in the same way, and thus perpetuates the experience. There is sort of a grey area, though, as to how it is used, and some people involved i
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Freda_Last, As to how they get by with it, I will try to follow some of the logic of how they get around things legally, (this is only a layman's guess) : 1) Although there are laws against deceptive advertising, they don't publicly advertise, per se. Instead, they train participants to do their advertising. In Landmark,  these participants, (many who sat at phone banks for hours
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Throughmyeyes Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hello kdag, I too would love to see this > organisation shut down. It is pure evil. Yes. Probably more than you will ever know. You have dodged a bullet. I would recommend to stay away from these people, and anyone associated with them.
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(Sorry about the double post).
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Trying to answer. Can I post this??? There are certain techniques that mental health professionals are aware of, but DO NOT use, because they have been determined to be potentially harmful, and have no therapeutic value ~ similar to the way a doctor would not prescribe Schedule 1 drugs, such as LSD. There have been experiments that deal with the way that normal adults respond to perceived a
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Okay, let me try this again. Here's my guess, (if I am allowed to post this), and it's only a guess: They HAVE accessed materials dealing with psychological research. Toward the end of the last seminar that I took at L.E., the seminar leader started talking about the next seminar in the series,  saying that it would deal with "brain science." She told us that we would all e
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Throughmyeyes, I am so sorry that he did this to you. Generally, when someone in L.E. says that they are "complete" with something or someone, they are saying that they are done with it, or, as you wrote, "no unfinished business." Cold and callous is par for the course in Landmark, though they put on such a show of supposedly caring. Two other adjectives that I wo
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One of the biggest problems I had in my experience with LGATs was with their concept of forgiveness. To me, forgiveness does not necessarily mean reconciliation. It does not mean that one has to allow the offender back into one's life, but can be as simple as putting the whole thing behind you and walking away. I had done that. Forgiveness can happen in stages, with the first being to w
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