I appreciate kath’s comments. I also studied math at university as part of general education, though I did not major in it; and it has been awhile since 10th grade. (You also needed a refresher apparently). I don’t really have time to read all of your links, though I appreciate your attention to accuracy, a trait I like to think I possess as well. I consulted with a cult expert about this
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everest, I am going to assume for the time being that the mathematician and others are correct. Do you have a degree in mathematics? Anything besides relying solely on Wikipedia? What is your interest regarding Hawkins if you are not a student of his? You seem to understand a lot about his scale for a person who has not studied him. On a more fundamental level, you state that the scale
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Here is a definition of "Hawkinazi" at the Urban Dictionary. Please visit this page and give it a "thumbs up"! Thank you. An example of the word in a sentence, and also a true statement: A link to this discussion forum was deleted at Wikipedia by a Hawkinazi today.
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QuoteeverestCouldn't find it. 1)The mathematics in this book is a joke. If a doctor were to tell you that your backache was caused by "halitosis of the femural artery located in the sternum", you would know that he doesn't know what he is talking about. This is exactly what Dr. Hawkins does with mathematical terms. Dr. Hawkins rates everything in the universe on a scale o
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4truth(iness) [ ] wrote: QuoteThese [2 prayers] seem to capture the essence of what Dr. Hawkins teaches and is pointing to. These are the point and while everything else can be debated (if that is one's choice), the essence of his teachings stand there, - - stark naked. The Wizard of Oz stated: Quote"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" -The Great and Terrible Wizar
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QuoteeverestThe logarithm is a perfect analogy for this scale. I disagree. I appreciate that you use the word "analogy" (i.e., "Similarity in some respects between things that are otherwise dissimilar"), rather than presuming the scale to reflect mathematical accuracy. Please refer to the second page of this thread where the mathematics of his scale is clearly debunked. It jus
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Andrew P., editor of EnergyGrid Alternative Media, also gave Hawkins a rating of "Stay clear" in EG's "Rough Guide to New Age Teachers": QuoteDavid Hawkins - Kinesiologist who has several books on the calibration of truth using simple muscle testing. Pros: Seems to give simple and pat answers to life's complex questions and concerns. Hawkins seems loving. Cons
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SpiritualTeachers.org ( ) wrote a review of Hawkins on December 16, 2005, and gave him a "one star" rating ("One Star - Not Recommended - Teachers offering rehashed materials, a teaching other than a path to Truth, and a few outright frauds."). Here is the review: See how other teachers rated: The review of Hawkins stated jokingly, "Perhaps I'm at some m
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Hawkins states on his web site: QuoteBecame a knight of the Sovereign Order of the Hospitaliers of St. John of Jerusalem, which was founded in 1077. This ceremony was officiated by Prince Waldemar of Denmark at the San Anselmo Theological Seminary in 1995. I did some research regarding Hawkins' claimed knighthood by contacting the San Francisco Theological Seminary (what Hawkins incorrectly
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Hawkins states on his web site: QuoteJust as Einstein’s Theory of Relativity was the hallmark of scientific discovery, Dr. David R. Hawkins’ discoveries are the E=mc2 of human consciousness research and spirituality. And at Wikipedia: QuoteMy personal concern has to do with alignment with the highest good which is served by verifiable integrity…That all discoveries have had their detractor
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QuoteTemplarWith so many of these new age types believing they are god... Ever wonder what would happen if they were all in the same room together? A friend who is a psychology professor told me this story once. He was visiting a psychiatric hospital and overheard the following conversation between patients: Patient A: "Hello, I'm Jesus Christ." Patient B: "No, you'
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Well, my personal background is in philosophy, not mathematics, obviously. Thanks for pointing that out. I used exponents rather than percentages. Those numbers seem to much more accurately reflect his sales. However...this is a great point of illustration. You've pointed out an obvious error, and I thank you for that and readily admit it. Hawkins, however, will continue to make the
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Quote"I am all that is Nature, I am that which is life." - David Hawkins, Dialogues On Consciousness and Spirituality, page 33 Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader. 1. Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability. Hawkins is the sole measure of truth in the universe. People never agree on calibrations when they do it, and must depend on him
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Please (once again) see ad hominem . Thanks and blessings, Phoenix phoenixpotterx@yahoo.com
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QuoteFirst: "Hey, by the way. I just got enlightened yesterday." And the other person would say, "Yeah, right, sure. Does it pay anything?" - I hope you can hear the humour here. Of course. I was indicating the fact that he is stating that he became enlightened; realizing the context in which it was stated does not change the fact of his comment. QuoteFurther: I clearly rea
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QuoteThere was this miraculous change, but there was nothing I could say about it. There is nothing one can say about such things. They are so far-reaching and of such a dimension, and so far beyond orindinary human experience that there is nothing one can say. One could not just walk down the sidewalk and say, "Hey, by the way. I just got enlightened yesterday." And the other person wo
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QuoteHe does not tell you to do anything. He lets you decide for yourself. I love the freedom afforded in authoritarian systems: They have the absolute, 100% truth which has been totally scientifically proven, and you are at a “lower” level of consciousness if you do not accept it…but, you know, you can take it or leave it! Free choice has never been so appealing. Quotebegins to experience a dif
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Overcome the liar by truth – the Buddha QuoteDoes a true master go around claiming enlightenment? Good question. Jesus did. "I am the light and the way", "no man may come to the Father except through me" seems also to fit the bill, doesnt it? No. Again, please do not set up a straw man. There are eight criteria of NPD. Cult experts claim that he appears to fit the DSM-I
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QuoteIsnt there just a hate mentality behind much of the criticism. I dunno. Did you press on a person's arm and that is what the arm said? If so, I won't argue with you. I know AK is absolutely true... QuoteIF someone had truely uplifting messages and put them in a book and wanted to publish them, then would every cycnic cry out - cult! Hawkins fits objective criteria for estab
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QuoteQuestionEverything...Hawkins pronounces what the truth is and anyone who disagrees with him can be discounted because their consciousness rates low on the scale. You are very correct. You have hit on several of Lifton's eight criteria just in your statement. Milieu control - Hawkins determines who is or who is not above "200," or in the "elite" as you put
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I should also say that I met a man who literally ended up going insane obsessing over Hawkins' applied kinesiology method and simultaneously doing kundalini yoga. The man started seeing demons and aliens and ended up in a mental hospital. He lost a lot of business, besides worrying his wife and children. This stuff can be dangerous. Thanks.
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I have spoken in depth with a cult expert who recognizes that David R. Hawkins is a cult leader, and he believes he suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) Indeed, I found a book of Hawkins' where he does explicitly express possessing the classical attributes of God: omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence. The Wikipedia article on Hawkins also notes this. By the way, Dr.
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Hawkins did endorse Lester Levinson, though strangely he later "calibrated" Levinson as dropping in calibration from around "500" (loving) to below "200" (negative/"nonintegrous"). Here is what Hawkins' said, from Levison's site: “I had several physical ailments, including migraine headaches, diverticulitis, gout, and severe hypoglycemia, an
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Hawkins wrote this in praise of Ilchi Lee's Brain Respiration: This is indeed an important and praiseworthy book for it helps us get close to the truth and actual experience of our own reality as the Self which transcends all of time, which always was, always will be, before and after all worlds or universe. - Dr. David R. Hawkins, Author of Power vs. Force Here is what is on the
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Oh yes, he has groupies. BTW - Guy Ritchie (Mr. Madonna) recently interviewed Hawkins. You can see a picture of Hawkins with Ritchie at under "Press Release." There are several Hawkins internet groups, for example. Here is one that is "devotional." This Group is dedicated to the profound teachings of Dr. David R. Hawkins, M.D., Ph.D. Our focus here as a group is
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David R. Hawkins is a former psychiatrist who now apparently believes he is God. He claims applied kinesiology is an absolute way of determining the truth or falsehood of any statement, and that it can calibrate anyone and everything's level of consciousness. One of his books calibrated .2 away from Jesus Christ, Buddha and Krishna (who are "1000" in his system). He received his
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Guy Ritchie interviewed David R. Hawkins. Hawkins claims applied kinesiology can calibrate the level of consciousness of everything and everyone in the universe. Kabbalah/the Zohar got a fairly high calibration from Hawkins, perhaps this is why Ritchie interviewed him. (Under "Press Release" you will find a photo of the filmmaker with Hawkins). More info on Hawkins: www.veritas
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David R. Hawkins is another New Age guru based in Sedona, AZ. Hawkins' web site: www.veritaspub.com Wikipedia entry: Skeptic's Dictionary: and: Hawkins claims applied kinesiology (muscle testing) can calibrate the consciousness level of anything and everyone in the universe. Not surprisingly, one of his books "calibrated" .2 away from Jesus Christ and Buddha. Furth
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