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16 years ago
PhoenixPotter
I suggested Hawkins as a potential 2007 Bent Spoon Award nominee awhile back, and it looks like he has secured an official nomination! QuoteThe Bent Spoon Award is an award given by Australian Skeptics, "presented to the perpetrator of the most preposterous piece of paranormal or pseudoscientific piffle". The name of the award is a reference to the spoon bending of Uri Geller...
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16 years ago
PhoenixPotter
Sedona's Dr. David Hawkins By Helyn Hart | Sedona.biz QuoteDr. David Hawkins, M.D., Ph.D. is a trained psychiatrist living in Sedona who earned his B.S. in pre-med from Marquette University in 1950, and went on to receive a medical degree (M.D.) from the Medical College of Wisconsin (1953). His Ph.D. is from an unaccredited correspondence school called Columbia Pacific University. It
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16 years ago
PhoenixPotter
Quoteshimonnot only is hawkins map of consciousness similar to scientology, it is also strikingly similar to the Sedona Methods map too...So in my opinion hawkins map is not so original and he seems to have gotten most of his stuff on it from Lester Levenson the founder of the Sedona Method... That makes sense, because Hawkins endorses the method: QuoteI had several physical ailments, includin
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16 years ago
PhoenixPotter
QuoteFACT: TRUTESTER CAN TELL YOU IF A PERSON IS LYING WHETHER S/HE IS TWO FEET OR 2,OOO MILES AWAY. APPLIED KINESIOLOGY DEVICE EMAIL ME FOR A FREE LEVEL ON CONSCIOUSNESS READING AS PER DR. DAVID HAWKINS' MAP OF CONSCIOUSNESS! FACT: TRUTESTER PUTS YOU IN TOUCH WITH THE VAST UNLIMITED RESOURCES OF THE SUBCONSCIOUS MIND - IN JUST SECONDS. IT'S LIKE INSTANT SELF-HYPNOSIS! You&#
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16 years ago
PhoenixPotter
I've noted before that L. Ron Hubbard’s “emotional tone scale” and David Hawkins’ “map of consciousness” are very similar. They share several verbatim levels: QuoteShame Apathy Grief Fear Anger And several that are similar, such as “Cheerfulness” and “Serenity of Beingness” (tone scale), and “Joy” and “Peace” (moc). They also both have a demarcation between the posit
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16 years ago
PhoenixPotter
QuoteshimonTeh Miracles center link they do not have any Hawkins audios on it, you are mistaken, there is nothing to listen on there. I contacted them to inquire about this. Here is the response: QuoteDear Phoenix, Thank you for your interest in MiraclesCenterUs and for your inquiry. The Law Firm representing Dr. Hawkins requested that I remove the material I had on my site from publi
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16 years ago
PhoenixPotter
QuoteshimonYou mentioined I can get my money back for the books I bought. Do you think that is true, even though I bought them from Barnes and Noble and BOrders, rather than from Veritas. Do you have any experience with this or know anybody who got a refund from Veritas just by asking?? I don't think so if they are not from Veritas directly. Robert Carroll states that Hawkins gave a refund:
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16 years ago
PhoenixPotter
Thanks. QuoteshimonTeh Miracles center link they do not have any Hawkins audios on it, you are mistaken, there is nothing to listen on there. That one has been deleted as well, strangely. He gave a talk on July 26, 2006 ( ). Perhaps if you contacted them they still have it somewhere or could get it to you if you wanted. QuoteshimonThe google video, I did see it before it was taken down. I
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16 years ago
PhoenixPotter
QuoteshimonI was wondering if you could share more about what the ACIM teachers said about Hawkins. Both teachers of A Course in Miracles that I specifically wrote with independently stated they believe applied kinesiology and his calibration system are complete nonsense, that they tell anyone this who asks and have told a number of people, but that they did not wish to write on it publicly at th
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16 years ago
PhoenixPotter
QuoteBrad69Call me crazy, but I will not put my trust in someone whose qualifications are questionable, if not outright lies.[...]Why would such an apparently advanced person lie about his qualifications? I could not look up to such a person. If he lies to me about his qualifications, he is perfectly capable (and likely) to lie to me in his teachings... This is another good point. He lies abou
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16 years ago
PhoenixPotter
QuoteshimonI specifically want to learn more truth about him and the cultish behavior. You may have a better sense of this by having a greater understanding of cults in general. To this end, I would suggest the following books: Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism by Robert J. Lifton; Combatting Cult Mind Control and Releasing the Bonds: Empowering People to Think for Themselves by Steve
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16 years ago
PhoenixPotter
QuoteshimonI tried my hardest to accept his calibrations in there about Bush, politics, war, and the US. You won't likely be able to. A recent study indicates that political preference is as much as half genetic ( ). For example, identical twins share more political beliefs than fraternal twins. QuoteIf you think your opponents are not just being willfully bullheaded but rather have a k
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16 years ago
PhoenixPotter
It occurred to me that Ramana teaches that the Guru is always within, and so traveling to see a teacher is not necessarily a requirement. QuoteThe master is within… Realization is eternal, and it is not newly brought about by the Guru… Liberation is not anywhere outside you. It is only within… The Guru does not bring about Self-realization…The Self is always realized… Questioner:
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16 years ago
PhoenixPotter
QuoteshimonDO you feel that Hawkisn is overcharging for his seminars and other materials? I agree with you. It is not just the price, but the sheer quantity of materials available. Hawkins puts himself way high up on his scale, such that if a person really believed all of his stuff, it would be a good idea to go move next to him. It is sort of like a drug or an addiction rather than truth
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16 years ago
PhoenixPotter
QuoteshimonMaybe as an idea, you could post one post that has alll of the links to important Hawkins articles or criticisms in one place for easy reference. QuoteshimonHave you bought any of his cds, dvds, gone to seminars, etc. If so, what did you do with it, did you throw them away, burn them, or keep them for posterity. Yes. I gave them to cult experts.
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16 years ago
PhoenixPotter
QuoteshimonDo you think there is any harm in just reading Hawkins, mainly from his main book, Power vs Force? As long as I dont buy into his nonsense in the form of kinesilogy, is it okay just to read this book and take what is helpful and leave the rest alone? I would first ask what it is you find helpful about it, and inquire as to whether or not you would be able to find this help elsewhere to
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16 years ago
PhoenixPotter
QuoteshimonWhat did you think of Hawkins on Oprah radio? I thought it was good. I like how Hawkins was very kind to Oprah. Oprah is a very good person. In fact, I called Oprah both before and after the show at her number 866-OPRAH-XM. My first call let her know some of the facts about Dr. Hawkins; I referred her to Wikipedia, and asked her to give a balanced interview. I am not sure if the in
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16 years ago
PhoenixPotter
Hi Shimon, QuoteshimonFirst of all, I didnt agree with your take on the power vs force review by the Christian person. I think you mean the “Dangerous Stuff” Amazon.com review. I don’t think I offered much of a “take” on it, other than to say that here is another person who has been harmed following the teaching of Hawkins. This should concern any spiritual person, or any human being. Here is
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16 years ago
PhoenixPotter
Hi Shimon, Quoteshimonsome of what you write doesnt convince me. Please give me some examples if you would. Who were your past cult leaders, if you don’t mind me asking? QuoteshimonYes, maybe Hawkins org is a little cult like, but not the man himself. RIght? No, because Hawkins is responsible. QuoteshimonHawkins is enlightened, right? I don’t think a person who teaches as he does co
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16 years ago
PhoenixPotter
Below are the "39 criteria for identification of teachers and teachings with integrity" according to Hawkins. I address each. Identification and Characteristics of Spiritual Truth, Integrous Teachers and Teachings By Sir David R. Hawkins, MD, PhD 1. Universality: Truth is true at all times and places, independent of culture, personalities, or circumstances. Hawkins’ AK testin
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16 years ago
PhoenixPotter
I was just browsing through Amazon.com and came across the most recent customer review of Power vs. Force. It appears another person literally went insane following Hawkins and ended up in a mental hospital per the review: QuoteDangerous Stuff, June 3, 2007 By Anonymous After personally having experienced using his technique for myself, I have an obligation before God and to warn people
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16 years ago
PhoenixPotter
A Note on Skepticism We need to be clear on what we mean when we use the word “skeptic,” as it has several meanings. Generally, when I use the word I am referring to “scientific skepticism,” which questions claims in light of nature, investigation, observation, experimentation, and the scientific method. That is, it is part of the practice of science. The term “skeptic” is especially tricky
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16 years ago
PhoenixPotter
Here is the latest on Hawkins' knighthood: QuoteHawkins states that he has been knighted by a "Danish Order" called "The Sovereign Order of the Hospitaliers of St. John of Jerusalem,"[ ] however, the current Deputy Private Secretary to Her Majesty the Queen of Denmark , Bjarne E. Pedersen, states to the contrary that the order referenced by Hawkins is not of Danish or
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16 years ago
PhoenixPotter
Andrew Paterson wrote to me in December of 2006 a rather prophetic statement which at the time I asked if I could quote here. QuoteThe bottom line is that Hawkins' weakness is his method of determining absolute certainty. By linking his philosophical worldview to AK he lays himself open to testing and contradiction. This works for a short time until those tests are done. Most other cult l
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17 years ago
PhoenixPotter
This is rather amusing. Hawkins has been criticized by fellow Dr. Wayne Dyer-endorsed Hay House author Gary Renard in his book Your Immortal Reality: How to Break the Cycle of Birth and Death. Renard purports to have had conversations with two "ascended masters" who come from the future named Arten and Pursah...(Yes, Hay House will publish anything, provided it is just crazy enough.)
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17 years ago
PhoenixPotter
The brilliant Cosmic Connie has added her two cents to the Hawkins jar on her blog Whirled Musings with "Hawkins squawkin’." QuoteI was particularly interested to read about the source of Dr. Hawkins’ Ph.D., which seems to be the foundation of his work...Columbia Pacific University happens to be the same diploma mill where Dr. John Gray, "Ph.D." got his doctorate. Alas, CPU
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17 years ago
PhoenixPotter
Guruphiliac has posted some funny stuff regarding Hawkins under the title "Calibrate This!" QuoteWe immediately rejected the idea that applied kinesiology can measure "levels" of enlightenment the instant we heard it. Talk about a room full of ducks doing what only ducks do! It's all in the joke work known as Power Vs. Force by David Hawkins...Apparently, Hawkins ha
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17 years ago
PhoenixPotter
QuoteIt is unfortunate that Hawkins repeatedly uses the term applied kinesiology to describe his methodology because this could not be further from the truth. He uses a single muscle test which in itself, forms the fundamental basis of AK but is but one of very many aspects of AK procedure, practice and training. His assertion that what he does is AK is akin to suggesting that lancing boils is to
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17 years ago
PhoenixPotter
The New England Institute of Religious Research has published Dr. Lifton's criteria applied to David R. Hawkins. Here is the Web link: As many of you know, the executive director of NEIRR is the Reverend Robert T. Pardon, who is a cult expert, a good friend of Steven Hassan, and holds a degree from Princeton. NEIRR, the Rev. Pardon and is wife Judy, and the halfway house for former m
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17 years ago
PhoenixPotter
Much has happened since I last wrote. I will fill everyone in soon. The first web site to have Lifton's criteria applied to Hawkins should be online within a week or two I am told. I will post the link. I also wanted to bring to attention Marilyn Gang's criticism of the "DH cult." It is wonderful. QuoteI'm far from the only one disenchanted with this cult. It is d
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