The Yankelovich study cited is of no meaningful importance, other than it proves Landmark is good at convincing people they have "gotten it" and that "it" is good. No one on this board has ever disputed Landmark's persuasion techniques are effective. They can convince most people that they have received a benefit from the program. The point is what have they rece
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Warytraveller2: The only information I can recall about Insight was the site linked. It is apparently a spin-off of Lifespring as previously stated, so follow the articles about Lifespring linked to get the general plan and structure. The other link provided demonstrates the inherent problems with LGATs historically and generally. They just are too risky. The point of the psychiatr
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Don't worry. There is no "anti-cult cult" operating here. There is no absolute leader, totalitarian state, dues, money exchanged, fear of hell or even a particular religious belief system being preferentially promoted. In fact as the rules state no proselytizing is allowed. And all the tricks about manipulating people through thought reform techniques, coercive persuasion
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Warrytraveller2: I think you must have missed it. See Note the abstracts about psychosis in EST. Lifespring/Insight is another LGAT. They all seem to have the same problems. See
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warrytraveler2: There is a link that mentions Insight. See It appears to be a spin-off of Lifespring. See The most complaints about LGAT groups comes in about Landmark and they are quite serious. Perhaps that's why people here are wary about your posts. Your observations about Landmark don't match up with the complaints, level of complaints, or their serious nature.
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warytraveller2: There are people that have posted on this message board with the agenda of promoting and/or defending Landmark. The fact that these apologists or "true believers" don't seem to consider and/or willfully ignore the group's history has caused some here to suppose they are somewhat "brainwashed." Such Landmark groupies don't really come to
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Warytraveller2 Margaret Singer was one of the most famous and influential psychologists and researchers of her time. See Her writings and Lifton's are definitive. There are degrees of influence and thought reform. And not all groups that use "brainwashing" are equally destructive. See See Archived news articles, reports, personal testimonies, court document
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Regarding the Adidam group you should proceed with considerable caution. See
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There has been some historical controversy regarding the issue of "cult mind control" within the APA as the link "warytraveller2" posted demonstrates. However, much of this was historically orchestrated by "cult apologists" working closedly with groups like Scientology and the Unification Church. See Jeffrey Hadden, now deceased, discusses this in the above
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To: "Hurting...need to know" To better understand how to cope with a "cult" member see There are also books listed at-- "Recovery and Support" groups and services are listed at--
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Prasadam Das: You play the same game over and over again. You are on this board to blunt criticism and/or offer apology for cult or cult-like groups. Now its TT that you are attempting to play this game with. The "main point is" TT has no scietific basis as supported by a peer reviewed publihed sceitific study. And despite your subjective observation, that you "woul
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Prasadam Das: You did not cite a peer-reviewed scientific study that has been published within a medical journal that specifically supports the idea that there are "subtle energies" in the body that can be manipulated by massage. I am not aware that any such study exists. As usual you skirt the real issue and attempt to soft peddle. So-called "Therapuitc Touch" (TT
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Prasadam Das is a 30-year Krishna "cult" member who has posted here largely as an apologist for "cults." His posts typically minimize or ignore serious problems within "cults" and controversial groups. He is invested in pretty much the same nonsense being complained about regarding "body work," which is based upon subjective feelings and anecdotal sto
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I am deeply sorry to hear of your loss and have been closely following this story. See There is also much research about Maharishi and his TM at Trancenet. See See the Links page for additional resources: I hope this is helpful.
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dpa10 it really is becoming increasingly obvious that your purpose in posting on this board only to apologize for the "cult" like groups you have been involved in. So far you have defended EST, Landmark, Sterling and TM. All these groups are listed at the Ross Institute database with large archives of bad press, complaints etc. Interesting how you just reverted once again to a
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Dpa you didn't answer my questions. 1. Did you strip naked for the male bonding ritual at the end of the Sterling Weekend? 2. And did you know Sterling videotapes the whole seminar and would be taping you naked? For those that don't know much about Sterling-- See About the nude part of the Weekend: Details Magazine published an article about Sterling. See
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This is a off topic, but you did bring up Sterling. Did you strip naked for the male bonding ritual at the end of the Sterling Weekend? That's one of the things they don't tell you about. And did you know Sterling videotapes the whole seminar? I suppose you did since you must sign away rights to your image within the initial required paperwork. Many of the men who have co
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dpa10 Your posts are up. The thread glitch you refer to was fixed. As previously stated there was a format software change to this forum and the bugs have now been worked out. You repeat the same refrain. But ayone can check the links and see solid research, soid news stories that refute your position. Believe what you want. But for others considering Landmark, it makes sen
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dpa10 No one is censoring your whining. Whine away. The point is the history of Landmark that contradicts your assesment and constant apologies. See the following: The links provided allow any visitor to read the many articles published about the group over the years. Obviously quite a few well-known publications and journalists don't share your views. Sorry
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Here we go again. dpa10 says everyone he knows that did Landmark had "good experiences" except for the "whiney guy." Right. However, this doesn't explain all the breakdowns, litigation and bad press the group is known for. See Seems like dpa10 is a "whiney guy," always whining about how "good" Landmark is and essentially blaming its vic
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What is the specific name of this allegedly "cult" like group?
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dpa10 posts the same things again and again, defending Landmark and now Sterling too. For those that don't know about Sterling-- See Sterling is another large group awareness training (LGAT) program like Landmark. It too generates complaints and bad press due to its structure and inherent problems. See Defenders of LGATs that post here offer the same comments over and over a
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dpa10, read the rules you signed off on. Many of your posts are just rants, "flames." They don't make points and are repetitive. We know you are here to defend EST/Landmark, but at least come up with something original with substance. The minor correction you made regarding a misstatment by corboy was pretty petty and the syllabus was a joke. The links previously po
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dpa10 you just flame without substance. The thread you mention is back up. This forum was moved into a new format and there were a few glitches. I guess when you run out of gas its time for personal attacks. But personal attacks won't change the facts about Landmark. They have a history of litigation, complaints, bad press etc. etc. What you don't like is the informati
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Thanks Templar. I assume you mean the recent court ruling at the 2nd Circuit, which went against Mr. Raniere and Ms. Salzman? It was not only a defeat for them legally, but really has lasting implications regarding any "cult" that tries to use copyright law as a tool to silence its critics. It doesn't work. Incidentally, Scientology advised Raniere through an operative
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Tricky: Please try to make a point succintly and specifically and stay on topic. Going on about Landmark's rhetoric seems pretty pointless. The purpose of discussion here is not rhetoric, but a helpful exchange of information and personal opinion. Please try to follow through on a thread, withou posting riddles or intellectually running in circles.
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For those who have not heard of Stair see What happened regarding the criminal charges against Stair? Were they dropped or what?
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Tricky says, "the stuff wears off. Even if she does more courses and stuff, she will most likely want to stay with you... and she'll get tired of the landmark stuff sooner or later." Not according to the complaints I receive almost every day. Divorce, breakups, breakdowns and even hospital stays may be the result of this "stuff." Beware. Landmark not only may
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The facts just didn't support the "satanic panic" of the 1980s. See And also
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"SRA" (Satanic Ritual Abuse) is a claim that has been proven false, over and over again. See the following links: Many of the women and families victimized by therapists practicing so-called "recovered" or "repressed" memory therapy and/or "SRA" counseling have been sued and lost their licenses. Also see If you believe you are an "SR
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