Quoteseeking And, Cherenuff, why on earth would I go talk with people who are currently involved with this cult? I can predict with 100% certainty that every one of them would tell me it is not a cult. Exactly! My point is made. You have made your decision a LONG time ago when you read a book. You have refused to look at me as a 15 year member and my honest answers to Ricks cult questions. Y
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QuoteseekingQuoteBrad69There was a story in my country, South Africa, recently that blew me away... everyone knows the the problem is huge. But no one wants to admit it..I couldn't believe it. Nathan's approach to TFI, and his insistence on not reading the book, is, to me, a parallel to that kind of approach. He argues the case back and forth, but won't read the book, even thoug
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Quoteseeking(Quote from Boanerges) Dear NathanA: As painful as these memories are for we expatriates; it is most painful to me because it was my throat that O~ had a hold of. Yes, he, in fact, meted out his self-styled divine justice on me, which left me voiceless for a week or more. But then, this is only one of several such episodes –to a greater or lesser extent – that he saw fit to exact ov
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QuotezeuszorQuote Don't forget to mention to Marian that you could barely do your job because of you being 'high' on marijauna most of the time and that you were kicked out because a church took you in to help you get back on your feet yet you smoked POT on the church premises around where children were at times!. It's true that I was smoking a lot of MJ while I was with TF
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Quotecounselor47QuoteI take this back. After much thought and reflection, I WILL NOT add anything else to the book. You may personally ask the ex-members, but I won't hurt them by bringing up the hidden truths. I just can't morally and spiritual hurt any of them even to discredit the book. Good. I think we can talk about the book and debate its validity in a civil way. I am perfectl
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Quotecounselor47QuoteEr....I know of about 30 other members that don't feel the way you and these small handful of disgruntled members feel I would sure like to know who some of those people are. Feel free to email me their names on my private email (I don't want you to violate anyone's privacy), or, if you prefer, just give them my email address. I would love to dialogue with
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Quotecounselor47QuoteOf course you're disappointed in him...he refuses to take your side. Very ironic that you were all smiles and approval when he agreed with some parts of your spiel but when he disagreed you have turned away from him. I've told him that this is an anti-Trinity forum and that it is far from unbiased. No, I have not "turned away" from Nathan, and I hope he
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Quotecherenuff1Seeking, Marion... If you have other questions about the validity of the book, I can add the stuff that was never put in and you can go ahead and make a decision but I do not want to put it here for all the world to see, since it would hurt and embarrass alot of people. I would also say that you visit Trinity for awhile. Ole is rarely around but the bible studies still go on.
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I tell you all what. My family and I are in the process of looking for another place to live. Perhaps another city or even another state. It will be about a year from now and I am actively looking at other churches in other cities. I've told some people this and was even given some suggestions on churches. To me, I really don't want to have to travel over an hour to get to churc
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An ad hominem fallacy consists of asserting that someone's argument is wrong and/or he is wrong to argue at all purely because of something discreditable/not-authoritative about the person or those persons cited by him rather than addressing the soundness of the argument itself. 1. Never said you were wrong. I just question the validity of the book (that you brought here to the forum).
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Quotecounselor47QuoteIf you want to say that the book is truth then add the OTHER reason why your first wife left you... That is so below the belt and so ad hominem I should not bother responding to it, but to set the record straight: 1. You do not even know my ex-wife. We were divorced before you even came to Trinity. 2. The only way you could know anything about our relationship is t
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QuotezeuszorHi Marion. I was a member of the Trinity Foundation for about five months, beiginning in March of '06 and ending in early last August. I was the assistant to the Foundation's lead investigator, a man named Pete Evans. Ole Anthony is a pathologically dishonest, deeply narcissistic, and cynically abusive man. I heard about the book and the Dallas Observer article, posted a
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Seeking, Marion... If you have other questions about the validity of the book, I can add the stuff that was never put in and you can go ahead and make a decision but I do not want to put it here for all the world to see, since it would hurt and embarrass alot of people. I would also say that you visit Trinity for awhile. Ole is rarely around but the bible studies still go on. Marion, if yo
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Okay...I've been away for some time so I will try to answer seekings questions. Why do I want to have Ole as a bible study teacher if he is a big meanie? Well, first, he's not my bible study teacher. He's never been mean to me. He HAS been blunt in his opinions and teaching and I'd rather follow someone who will tell what they have to tell without the song and dance that
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Quotecounselor47One thing I would like to see NathanA--or any current member of Trinity--address is the question I keep raising over and over and over again. Why is it nearly unanimous among the former members that Trinity is a cult? Can anyone name me any other group that is true of that is not really a cult? Er....I know of about 30 other members that don't feel the way you and these
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We may be disgruntled ex-members, but we are telling the truth. I am glad, Marion, you have the integrity to read the book. Nathan says to check out both sides, but that is the very thing he himself has been unwilling to do, even though he has been offered a free book. I've read the book and from my perspective you are telling "part" of the truth. What I don't understand
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Wow....I personally agree with Nathan but I agree that he should go ahead and read the book to understand both sides of the story. What others here should be ashamed about is that fact that Seeking is in the exact same boat as Nathan BUT he/she is on the other side of the tracks and apparantly that makes it "okay". I've asked the moderator to moderate Seekings as well since he/
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QuotecultawareNathanA, I think it is a blatant heresy to teach that God hates us and only loves the Jesus in us. And a Gnostic one at that. Besides that people are not treated with respect there. That is, except for Ole. cherenuff1, How can I trust you now. You said you had posted your last :) ! cultaware LOL...Probably the same way you can trust Brian not to post after he says that he&
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QuotezeuszorQuotezeuszorQuoteActually...I volunteer for Trinity with the Door. I use to go every night to Bible Studies and helped out in the Lair. But what you said struck something in me though...IF Trinity was a cult, WHY would they tolerate me and my family just being on the 'edge' and for almost 7 years (When we came back from Kansas)? We don't tithe (long story there) and
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QuotezeuszorQuotecherenuff1QuotezeuszorI always liked you. You were always nice to me. I like myself too... :lol: You're a nice guy but sometimes when you were here I wondered if you didn't say what you actually felt at times. I could see that you had problems with some of the doctrine but I think you tried too hard to be too nice...if that makes sense. Perhaps it was because y
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QuotezeuszorQuotecherenuff1I don't understand why YOU were asked to leave just for speaking to the Duncans. People know that I've emailed Doug and have corresponded with you yet not one single person has said anything negative to me about it. They personally don't really care. I also know some people that still keep in touch with some ex-members but they are still here so there
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QuotezeuszorI always liked you. You were always nice to me. I like myself too... :lol: You're a nice guy but sometimes when you were here I wondered if you didn't say what you actually felt at times. I could see that you had problems with some of the doctrine but I think you tried too hard to be too nice...if that makes sense. Perhaps it was because you were using drugs that ma
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No...I never ever talked to Ole about you or actually talked to anyone else about you so I never knew how you came to be there until just now. I know that Trinity has a very low tolerance for drug abusers but to tell the truth, I don't know very much about your situation. No one here talks about you...at least not to me. I just assumed from the timeline of your earlier posts and what you
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QuotezeuszorYes, and I've been abused by other people at TFI too. It is a spiritually unhealthy place. When he found out that I was speaking to the Duncans, he squeezed me out of my job and my place to live, using BS excuses. That's for starters. He said that I had to move because the fact that I had savings, was not broke, and that my room above The Lair was "meet need only&qu
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QuotecultawareHello NathanA, Do not give your free will up to any one. You are on the edge. Ask Gary why he did not tell his "group" that a fire walk was planned at Rick's ranch. He knew about Ole's plans ahead of time. As an elder should he not have warned us? God protect us from our Trinity's sheperds! Cultaware Hello cultaware, As far as I know, the firewalk t
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Being a member off and on for 15 years I'll try to answer these questions as they relate to me. Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader. Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability. - There is a board of directors and I've seen others dismiss Ole's ideas on certain subjects. Lately, he just gives his two cents worth in and most of the time the
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bleh....this was suppose to go under the Trinity Foundation message board. Perhaps the mods could move it there for me? Thanks!
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Being a member off and on for 15 years I'll try to answer these questions as they relate to me. Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader. Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability. - There is a board of directors and I've seen others dismiss Ole's ideas on certain subjects. Lately, he just gives his two cents worth in and most of the time th
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This will be my last post. I consider what Brian is doing (zues.) flaming. He has out and out called people - stupid, blasphemous and un-christian. If the moderators are reading this, I would think that his line of posting are nothing but attacks on the characters of people that are honestly trying to respond in an adult-like manner. Brian...you are very hurtful in your attacks. I have been
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Quotecounselor47Send me a private message with your email on it and I will send you mine and we can do some of our personal catching up off of this forum. Your statement, "...come to Bible Study, let him know how you feel, get it out and hang out with the rest of us..." is just not going to work for some people. For one thing, for most of the former members that would not feel like a
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