QuotewanderingcrowHas anyone noticed Poolmans tone in his newer video's? Is he finally managing to temper that hyper maniacal raving... I like the barking mad reference it made me laugh. Yes, well he does sound like a rabid dog in some of his talks. I'm not convinced he's tempered his raving though. Some of his recent talks might seem less loud and aggressive, but I'm not s
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Just happened to have this link bookmarked: That's from a longer piece that exposes various other fraudulent holy men, crazy wise adepts and gurus of various spurious or actual traditions. There are many YouTube videos about Sai Baba such as "Sai Baba Exposed - Part 1 of 4": Unfortunately, he has the support of influential politicians in India and it's a bit late to
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Quoteindiasparkhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9M9Edz0N5M Take a look at this video to view the insanity that these people are into. Larry is now Rohan ! Presumably that guy has just been on the receiving end of some shaktipat diksha. I wouldn't have minded seeing that in action instead of the after-effect. Seems like a self-induced state of bliss, confusion or mild hysteria manufactur
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Desteni tried to get videos censored on YouTube on grounds of copyright violation but the only reason why they haven't been challenged is that people don't want to reveal their names and addresses because they don't want to be harassed or have their YT channels deleted. There is a video on YT that was flagged by Desteni and taken down, then it was re-uploaded. ThomDarc, a membe
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QuoteThe AnticultBut one thing that is similar to Scientology Applied Scholastics, is simply setting up a front-company to target children/families for "education" using vocabulary, and the manipulation of the meaning of words. Scientology is notorious for setting up front-groups, and then working to get people into Scientology from the back-door. Yes, Desteni is doing the same thing
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The SRAT course is not the same as Desteni Education. Desteni Education is a separate entity based around the use of so-called educational software Poolman claims he wrote but which his brother claims he stole. Their website is currently out of action and the Desteni Education YouTube channel has only three videos... They have a Facebook page but I doubt there's much information on t
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Going back to the question of the number of members of Desteni, there are 112 registered on the private forum: (Note the symbol of the eagle again.) I would say that is an accurate representation of the current number of serious Desteni disciples. Desteni is promoted on YouTube with what's known as "sub-whoring" or sub4sub. In fact, to be considered a full member of th
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Quoteit's edenheartI do not have much to add at this point but just a suggestion, and that is that we compile the information from the last 47 pages into fact or what they have said and written with sources etc, and suspicions or their activities, and reasons for suspicions. I mean for new users that might have information, it means they don't have to read 47 pages to know what we know,
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QuoteSimulacronXHi everyone. Hi, and thanks for your input. QuoteSimulacronXThe similarities regarding Bernard Poolman and Donald Herman are stunning. Now we only need evidence. Yes, and their faces don't look dissimilar either. The connections between them are so striking that if they are in fact two different people then they must know each other and have a history together that is
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QuoteForeverNoMatterWhatI apologise Sandman, I had read ThomDarc quote you directly on it below your comment but I see now it was a quote from the forum. No problem... The shaved heads were in the offing for a while, but it wasn't until more recently that having one became mandatory for those who want to show they are dedicated to the group. As far as I understand it, they can choose
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QuoteForeverNoMatterWhatSandman, although I certainly see your point. I would like to point out that Ann1986 took over two years to eventually shave her hair off. Despite being one of the most active members of Desteni from the beginning and being under quite a bit of pressure from others to do so. It may be the case that for women, the decision is all the more difficult to make despite their agr
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QuoteNasrudin's DonkeyMr Sandman according to the members list on the Desteni website they have 1250 members. Keeping in mind that 429 of these members have never made a post, we could make the assumption that these are possibly ghost accounts. In that case there are 829 members significantly different from your figure of roughly 100. Not to mention, there may be more individuals who si
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QuoteThe AnticultBut its an interesting connection. A person who has used a string of aliases, demanding his followers use their own surnames. Typical hypocrisy, and very telling. And at the same time Poolman, who claims to be an ex-cop, refuses to show his face while demanding his followers show their faces. All very suspicious. QuoteThe AnticultThey are not going to make someone who is a
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QuoteForeverNoMatterWhatQuoteSandmanAnd we know all this because Bernard Poolman got a young woman he picked up in a cafe (Sunette Spies) to 'leave her body' in order to reel off his stupid opinions on YouTube. Sandman, where did you garner the evidence that Sunette Spies was found in a cafe? I have heard this story from more than one individual since 2008. Long before I was aware of th
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Ferdi Poolman, whom Bernard has acknowledged as his brother, publicly goes by that name on Facebook and on his software site. Rentia Poolman of KwaZulu-Natal (the same region of South Africa in which the Desteni farm is located) is listed as Acupuncturist and Homeopath: Bernard Poolman has mentioned his own past interest in Homeopathy. Rentia is the name given to his ex-wife on the Deste
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With someone called Elbie Herman, Donald Herman sold property through a website linked to God-Forum, including farms: He also advertized holidays in South Africa. The Desteni farm or ranch is also known as 'Mountain View' and is near Pietermaritzburg, Kwazulu Natal: Bernard Poolman offers working holidays there to approved Desteni members. Donald Herman described his main
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QuoteStoicHe certainly loves the sound of his own voice pontificating. Yes, audio recordings of him ranting and raving are uploaded every day. Any photograph of Bernard Poolman is conspicuous by its absence, especially when he demands that members of his group show themselves as 'real people' with 'real names' and faces in their videos. In this video, he suggests that
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This video, "Process Support - Rick Ross Phenomena" -- is dated 4th August 2010 but was released 15th Aug. In it Bernard Poolman talks about his brother Ferdi having a criminal record for violence and attempted murder. He says that Ferdi had their sister committed as a schizophrenic even though there was nothing wrong with her. Bernard claims his mother didn't tell him about th
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A curious mention of Donald Herman there directly from Bernard Poolman... What does it all mean..? Anyway, continuing on from my previous post... In June 2008, Aruan9/Donald Herman at responded to a 'channeling' of 'Lord Kuthumi' by Michelle Eloff of Johannesburg, South Africa: "I am exited about the content of your channel from one Kuthumi, who must be very s
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"God-Forum" was run by Donald Herman of Germiston, South Africa from 2001-2008. The last version of the site from 2008 displays information described as "new" that is dated 2006. Desteni appeared on the Internet in 2007 with the desteni-universe.co.za website -- . At that time Bernard Poolman was behind the scenes. He was known as "Eagle", as per Acumen Sense�
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QuoteForeverNoMatterWhatHello. If "Ferdi" is Poolmans brother, it would be assumed that "Bernard Poolman" is using his real name. Which I am not convinced he is. The question I have is, is anyone able to confirm or deny the existence of an individual who goes by the name of "Donald Herman" online. An example of him posting can be found here: Donald Her
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QuoteCresil1HumanOSTI hold great admiration for them, but I refuse to be a defeatist to their sole 'truth'. That statement and many of your videos suggest a sort of reluctant apology for Desteni. Your videos are presented from the point of view of a Desteni member. Apparently critical commentary is ambiguous and not expressed in plain terms. Not that you are necessarily one of them
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Thanks for your intriguing posts, ForeverNoMatterWhat. As regards 'Donald Herman' . . . The character called Donald Herman of South Africa posted to spiritlibrary.com on the 20 February, 2009 a statement saying he had "recently finished a novel, THE RIVER, the Hitler story continued on the Other Side" -- here: On this page on the Desteni website: the word,
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Here is a link to a video that suggests Marley Dawkins received death threats from Desteni: "DESTENI DEATH THREATS (Question for Marley Dawkins)" -- The issue has also been mentioned in other places, in comments etc on YouTube. Anyone who saw the original video posted by Cresil on the SRA lesson 1 will be aware that it used footage of a Desteni SRA trainer, copyright of which
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ForeverNoMatterWhat: I'd say your observations there as to the rapping of SpamAnn's knuckles over her apparent misinterpretation of Desteni doctrine highlight the fact that within the Desteni group there is an inner circle of select members. They are the 'we' of Matti Freeman's comment. They can be identified as Bernard Poolman's favorites: Esteni de Wet, Sunette
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Thanks, ForeverNoMatterWhat. Here's my two cents worth. It is likely that Bernard Poolman is his real name. He has acknowledged that Ferdi Poolman is his brother. See: 'Process Support - Do not make fires unnecessarily' -- Ferdi has an educational software website based in SA, link to which was provided earlier in this thread. Acupuncturist and Homeopath, Rentia Poolman i
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QuoteZeborkThe reading and language program was designed by me and a team of people of which most of them are still working for me. No person at this Destiny thing ever worked on it. My brother's total input was less then ten words. The product was stolen by my brother. Hi Ferdi, thanks for your input. Not sure if this was mentioned before, but it seems that software is now trademarked
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QuoteThomDarcMy channel: XmanosX has been taken down by Youtube through Desteni members claiming copyright violation. I would easily be able to dispute most of their claims in court. However, to do a counter-notification requires that I fill out a form with personal information including address which is then handed over to cult members. I don't how anyone else would feel about handing over
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Recent statements by Bernard Poolman indicate he believes he is engaged in an 'information war'. It seems that for him the point of it is to generate publicity for Desteni, court controversy and get rid of those who would waste his time joining the cult without fully meeting his ludicrous demands. He knows that by keeping his followers focussed on banning and censoring other peop
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Daryll Thomas of Desteni's video "05 The Anti-Desteni Cult Hotline Moment" -- -- is supposed to be a satire about discussion of Desteni on this forum, which he re-names "Cult Infotainment Forum". It creates the impression that the Cult Education Forum is over-run by Bible-bashing Christian fundamentalists. Daryll Thomas made that assumption early on in this thread, a
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