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12 years ago
helpme2times
QuoteChristaMeadow, thank you for your posts. Thanks from me too. :-)
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12 years ago
helpme2times
QuoteStoicThis might sound a bit BKish but you have covered it here: "The answer is for humans to try to learn how to use their mind, and thinking skills, and intelligence, and emotional intelligence, more effectively." How "might" this statement be BK-ish? That sounds quite strange to me. I'm remembering another statement you made here earlier, in this post. That t
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12 years ago
helpme2times
QuoteMeadowHave you ever taken a lot of morphine or saw someone who took a lot of morphine? It is not a lot of fun. BK is basically telling this woman to put herself into a coma. Can you imagine the nausea and the vomitting that could happen? And then she posts this on a public weblog as if she is proud of it. Is this allowed? That is ghastly. Thanks for the info Meadow.
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12 years ago
helpme2times
Below is a link to a harrowing account of depersonalization. I found it on the recently mentioned RichardDawkins.net's message board. The person describes a horrifying prolonged state of extreme depersonalization, triggered by involvement with information put forth by "self-improvement" guy Steve Pavlina (yes, another "Steve"): [Help Overcoming Solipsism]
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12 years ago
helpme2times
QuoteThe AnticultThere are actually very few "ideas" in the Byron Katie system, the NonDual stuff is really more about just creating confusion in people, which is the primary technique. For example, the 4 Questions operate like the worm on a fish-hook, to get people to bite into them, and then BK can reel them in, one step at a time. The 4 Questions of Byron Katie have been debunked
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
12 years ago
helpme2times
Thank you, RR. I feel it is important to say something about a discovery one of us made pertaining to some recent postings. I am not going to name any names or provide any links re this, but I will say that it appears somebody here has thought they have pulled a fast one over on us. Why? Heaven knows. Below is an excerpt from a recent blog entry made by someone who appears to have joine
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
12 years ago
helpme2times
Holy moly. Thread views here between yesterday morning and today: 606. !!!
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12 years ago
helpme2times
Yet another interesting tidbit: just yesterday Byron Katie's blog featured what is essentially a lengthy promo for the school: The School for The Work: An Account By Richard Lawrence Cohen Richard Lawrence Cohen is said to be a novelist. Could it be that his BK school review is also a work of fiction?! Stranger things have happened in these waters...
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12 years ago
helpme2times
QuoteChristaThis Ultimate Coach guy -- did anyone else notice he obtained a degree from the University of Santa Monica in 2001? Isn't that John-Roger's place? MSIA? Seems to be. Wiki says John-Roger "is the founder and chancellor of the University of Santa Monica (USM), an unaccredited institution offering master's degrees in Spiritual Psychology and Consciousness, Health &
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12 years ago
helpme2times
QuotecorboyBut this attempt to offer information about unethical uses of what started out as techniques of medical hypnosis is being constantly disrupted by people who could if they wished, remain in BK related social venues with persons who agree with them and never have a minutes worth of discomfort. This venue exists so that persons who want to educate themselves about methods of covert inf
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
12 years ago
helpme2times
Why are you getting pissy, "Stoic"? (Go ahead and deny you are.) What is your actual purpose in being here? For someone who protests they have "no interest in at all", you seem quite interested in engaging me. That shows at least some interest. So it seems that at least re that, you have not been exactly truthful. Also, I merely said that "perhaps" a c
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12 years ago
helpme2times
I've discovered that a seemingly female entity has recently commented on the first Guruphiliac blog entry about Byron Katie (dated 02/23/08). That person in their comment mentions the Stoics. Am noticing this with some interest, since we have someone new in our midst going by the name "Stoic".
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
12 years ago
helpme2times
QuoteStoicI don't speak for Kassy or for BK or for anyone else, for that matter, except myself. Extreme positions of any kind carry extreme risk. 'Go for it with all you've got' sounds like an extreme position to me and a recipe for tunnel vision as well as an open invitation for any shrewd operator to take advantage. Hmmm. How fascinating that this thread about BYRON
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12 years ago
helpme2times
QuoteChristaSo someone writing about using cocaine 5 or 6 times might well say, yeah, I snorted this stuff up my nose, I've heard some bad things about it, but I felt great, on top of the world! I was able to stay at work till 3 am and get twice as much work done as the other people on the team. The clients are thrilled and I'm sure I'll get that promotion! And when I got home to m
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12 years ago
helpme2times
QuoteStoic'If that's what you want for yourself, to be without any story, then go for it with all you've got. But... what if you really go to town with "the work" and in the long run end up going.... crazy? ' There is no suggestion to go for it with all you've got. Incorrect, there most certainly is such a suggestion from Ms. Katie. A quote from her websit
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12 years ago
helpme2times
Kassy, if you believe that Byron Katie's "work" is "about questioning thinking", then I'm sure you won't mind if any of us here question your thinking... You say: But the tantrum, the outrage that the British should not kill people is useless, because they are. To say that a tantrum is useless is an interesting thought, but one I take issue with. I thi
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12 years ago
helpme2times
Interesting, I "accidentally" posted this response to newcomer Kassy in a new thread. I will go now and post it in the now very long thread on Byron Katie...
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12 years ago
helpme2times
Kassy, if you believe that Byron Katie's "work" is "about questioning thinking", then I'm sure you won't mind if any of us here question your thinking... You say: But the tantrum, the outrage that the British should not kill people is useless, because they are. To say that a tantrum is useless is an interesting thought, but one I take issue with. I thi
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12 years ago
helpme2times
This just in... Steve Salerno has announced, via a comment on his blog: QuoteWell, after the holiday, once I get a few lingering loose ends tied up, I'm going to see if I can get some magazine to underwrite a full-out investigation of Katie and her minions. If nothing else, this mini-firestorm has convinced me that it's time to stop procrastinating and get it done. Now, the
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12 years ago
helpme2times
QuoteThe AnticultAgain, notice the tricky language being used by Stever Robbins, on that blog comment, which will go unchallenged. A certain person mentioned in this thread a number of times also weighed in with a comment in the first of the three blog entries on Steven Salerno's fiasco of an appearance here: QuoteI've found the omniscience demonstrated on the RR forum quite helpful
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
12 years ago
helpme2times
QuotequackdaveGee whiz, there must be some kind of mistake. Stever Robbins just posted elsewhere on the web that he isn't making money doing anything like that at all! Not only that, but he claims to have posted his phone number so that anyone who wants the REAL story can call him and ask him. Here's the link: Stever's claim Gee whiz indeed. I guess the "Shop" segment
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12 years ago
helpme2times
Yesterday's number of views of this thread: approx. 493!
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12 years ago
helpme2times
QuoteMeadowQuotehelpme2timesThis could be some kind of record: between yesterday morning and today, this thread received 424 page views! where can I find the page views? Click here: [http://forum.culteducation.com/] Then click on the first category, "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements". Scroll down (if the topic isn't at the top) until you see this thread�
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12 years ago
helpme2times
QuoteMeadowIt is all so slick and slimy. That is so interesting you are using those "s" words Meadow. Recently I've thought of a string of "s" words in connection with a couple of individuals mentioned in this thread: smarmy sleazy snake-oil salesmen :-D
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
12 years ago
helpme2times
How dare you be logical amidst all the current hysteria re the Byron Katie thread! I kid. ;-)
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12 years ago
helpme2times
This could be some kind of record: between yesterday morning and today, this thread received 424 page views!
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12 years ago
helpme2times
QuotequackdaveMyself, I could easily have become a casualty (perhaps a fatality) of the Work and what it leads up to. So it IS kinda personal, sometimes. But only as personal as life or death. Ditto. Thinking now of the sad case of Rochelle Laudenslager, who according to a certain person just didn't do enough "Work". [Murder Suspect Claimed Self-Help Plan Helped Her]
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