The group talks a lot about self fulfilling prophecy. Usually, in the context that parents who try to stop their child joining the group, because they fear losing touch with them, cause a self fulfilling prophecy because their resistance causes the group to run and hide. The truth of the matter is that the group usually sets the whole self fulfilling prophecy into motion long before the paren
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QuoteQuotecultmalleusA lot of us still have "flashbacks" to our time in the group; god it takes a long time to deprogram. It's hard because most of us were and still are very idealistic and this was exploited by Dave for his own ends, with enough stuff that actually was idealistic mixed in to keep us in the group, all the while sucking us deeper and deeper into his vortex. Most o
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QuoteIt’s kidneys today, what next lungs, livers………does some one have to die or have a complete mental break down before more people speak out. They have already had people donate parts of their livers. There is a bit of an unspoken competition in the group about who is more "radical for God" which translates into more radical for DJ. So, when he comes up with schemes such as body par
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QuoteQuotesnugglesWhat on earth is going on here. Let me get this straight. This Dave Mcay has three kids who have left the Jesus Christians? -Who are now adults with their own lives and maybe even families of their own. Yes, he has 3 children who are out of the group. They want nothing to do with him but would like contact with their mother. Last I heard their mother is not alowed to speak
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DJ lacks compassion and empathy for his followers. Example: He will confiscate their travel docs. and tickets if they get out of line in a foreign country. Then he has been know to expell them from the community. Knowing very well that they will be left to sleep on the streets until they coming groveling back or demand their possessions and decide to break from the community permanently. DJ i
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QuoteDave McKay "Perhaps, Jack, you could start the ball rolling by telling the shocking story of two visionless hippies who joined the Jesus Christians, got married, and were sent off to college to become a nurse and a doctor? Those are 'facts', Jack. But if you want to fabricate something from your imagination, then don't even bother trying to call it truth." Typic
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Well, Dave's wildest dreams are finally coming true. People in a forum discussing him and his group. Maybe he no longer has to be jealous of the "real" cult leaders, the ones who attract members and publicity without having to stage performances for it. My hestitancy in speaking out against him has always been that he wants that! He craves any kind of attention focused on him. M
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Just when you think that he can't get more depraved...he get's more depraved! Does DJ even read the Bible? What did Jesus say about those who take from you? Give them a choice of punishment? NO! Give them something else you have too.
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DJ is completely deceitful. Nothing he says can be taken at face value. He does not care about anything - or anyone - unless they can further his mission, which is to make a name for himself. He uses his family and followers to this end. This is clearly evidenced in him using his own crippled wife in a publicity stunt...allowing her to be whipped! He CLAIMS to allow his people to questio
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