This is one large organization which has extorted millions from innocent people with Deception just to lace Sai Maa with very expensive clothes, expensive organic food, first class plain tickets, hotels, cars and yes, very expensive properties she owns. Sai Maa wants to dupe as many people as possible and take your money !!!! And YES she does encourage people to leave their families and Loved
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My Ex boyfriend is a member of Sai Maa and he is young not like the older members that are clearly insane once you meet them. We were together for four year and were very seriously in Love but then Sai Maa destroyed everything we built, our home our future everything lost. He spent thousands of dollars on Sai Maa’s retreats. The foundation and communication was lost forever. I’m here to tell ever
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Hi Corboy scare tactics don't work on me at all. Seems incredible that anyone in this day and age could fall for a guru who claims to be spritual and who obviously is not, but there are fools out there that do. They are Geeks and weak child like freaks who have not much of life. Sia Maa is a cult leader. The lowest of the low. Deluding people whilst groveling her own psychosis. I loved
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Hello Peter72 Yes Finally someone talks the truth about Sai Maa. . . I’m one of them in addition to 15 other people I know that will be talking more about this horrible woman and her Cult Organization run by her disciples. Peter72 you are correct the Sai Maa Organization is a sinister is a Cult! My Ex boyfriend is a member of Sai Maa and he is young not like the older members that are clearly
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Having spent some serious time on Korea myself as a child, due to the association with Kwan um and who my parents are.... I can say Iko is correct. It is a different cultural norm. In Korea, many monks do not become monks because they choose to. In Korea, they have a different system. The monastery takes care of the ones who can not care for themselves. Part of getting that help or being allo
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Lubos, I am really sorry you had that kind of an experience. It makes me sad. Because it wasn't cool. I have never seen anyone hide the reality of what Seung Sahn did. Until now i have never even heard of it. I am sorry you were lied to. And that is really a shame. Because that isn't the Kwan Um that i know and that i grew up in. I don't think they need to stick the information up
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I am not a lifer. Members of my family may be. But actually I am not. I prefer atheism. I prefer total freedom from rituatlized anything. And so i have chosen that for myself. I am married to a PhD in theoretical physics. My home is frequently the gathering place of some of the greatest minds of science. I am opposed to believing in anything without proof. I am opposed to even believing there is
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"Zen master Seung Sahn was a fraud." That statement is not entirely incorrect. You don't get to have sex with women or men or children for that matter while you are claiming to be a celibate monk. That IS fraud. Zen master Seung Sahn, was also just a man. He was slave to the same bodily functions needs and human weaknesses as the rest of us. He taught about dealing with and accepti
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I am not sure you are correct about Bobby Rhodes.... Zen Master Seung Sahn, was such an open person that the current head teacher may not advertise her own sex life much as her predecesor did not advertise his. i won't say it here, but i strongly doubt she would have slept with Seung Sahn. There are a couple other high ranking teachers who did and or may have, sure. Their appointment to thei
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I am not sure you are correct about Bobby Rhodes.... Zen Master Seung Sahn, was such an open person that the current head teacher may not advertise her own sex life much as her predecesor did not advertise his. i won't say it here, but i strongly doubt she would have slept with Seung Sahn. There are a couple other high ranking teachers who did and or may have, sure. Their appointment to thei
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The Anticult, "And the more serious longer retreats, are the point of the thread. Those more serious techiques, are for the more "advanced" students, who will become totally indocrinated. That is classic brainwashing, literally. " This statement is not accurate. These retreats both the long and short ones are open to ANYONE who wishes to take part in them. Infact, many peo
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I hope no one minds me weighing in on this thread. I lived in Kwan um, for many years. I knew many of these people you speak of personally. I am not trying to tell anyone how to perceive anything. That must always remain up to each individual. Every one of us has a perspective that is valid and correct for us. So i hope no one gets angry if i share mine. I was born in Cambridge Zen Center in 1
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